Mamamia! Checkout this CU Thread regarding Waverly82

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by bn2cardz

I had nothing to do with this thread or the gentleman that was discussed originally, but I am disgusted at how this woman has been treated. It is fairly easy to believe her as there is an obituary of this man online (http://www.stithfuneralhome.net/cgi-...103:Lcgi_html/).

If this grieving woman came here hoping to hold on to her husband's memory a little longer no one can fault her that she may be hurt even more to see what other's feelings were towards this man she loved/loves. She made the request, I can believe, any grieving spouse would make in that time of loss. If you don't want to satisfy her request there is no reason to keep the thread going by posting how you don't agree with her.

Andy,

With all due respect, you're way off base here - in fact, not even in the ballpark. Waverly had a reputation of doctoring cards that goes back many, many years. Just go the the CU boards and search "Waverly" and you'll get several thread results, not one of them shed a good light on him. Here is one from over 8 years ago that speaks of his card doctoring...

http://forums.collectors.com/message...yword1=waverly

Doug hit the nail on the head in his post. The reputation one develops while living is the one that will be remembered when they are gone. Besides, it's not like where bashing him after his death. If that was the case, you would have a valid point. But this thread is a few years old. Did everybody go back and edit their comments about Bruce after his passing?

David makes a valid point as well. Surely he has inventory left that will be sold at some point. People need to know that there is the possibiltiy of the cards being altered.

Last, if she wouldn't have bumped the thread, his name probably never would have been mentioned again on these boards.

David

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Edited to add: Read this eBay description as well...

http://cgi.ebay.com/1963-TOPPS-PETE-...#ht_213wt_1186

[steve B]

Ok, how did you get an Ebay item form 2011? usually when I look for one it's long gone.

Steve B

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Andy,

With all due respect, you're way off base here - in fact, not even in the ballpark.

Really?!?! I am off base for saying "If you don't want to satisfy her request there is no reason to keep the thread going by posting how you don't agree with her."

I NEVER said you should delete posts. In actuality I didn't even take a side. What I am saying is that there is no reason to lash out at the request of a mourning widow. If you don't agree with her request than move on. Especially since of the all the comments up til yours was not even from people in the original posts.

You can do whatever you want with your post as you are one of the original posts. I really don't care, but there is no reason why her post couldn't have just been the last of it. Or at maybe the most a post from previous posters, like yourself, stating that you respectfully decline to delete your previous post.

[Exhibitman]

Andy, silence can often be interpreted as consent or agreement. I have no idea if this dealer did the things of which he was accused. I have no idea whether she is legitimate or a troll. Neither matters. Regardless of whether someone is alive or dead, the posts made here are part of the history of the hobby that shouldn't be rewritten, especially since the people who made the original posts were victims of a fraud that they believe this dealer perpetrated, simply because the dealer died.

David is spot-on as well; had she not made her post this thread would have been long gone and forgotten absent a Google search. She knows Leon won't delete the thread ["I already know Leon does not delete & that's his prerogative"], so she decided to post something publicly to shame all of us [and I include myself in that "us" even though I had no part in the original discussion] by stating that "honorable" people would delete this "atrocity". When someone comes into our community making demands and calling names, pushback is to be expected.

[almostdone]

I find it a bit odd that she makes such a request but then has not been back on Net54 since. According to her stats in her profile the last time she visited the site was the same time she posted her only post. Sort of like a hit and run IMO.
Drew

[NolanRyan]

This thread made me want to evaluate every purchase that I made from Waverly. I didn't personally know him, but the statements in this thread concerned me on so many levels. From 2011 to March of 2012, I purchased, from Waverly82, 184 different vintage cards (mostly commons and minor stars) ranging from 1953-1969. Eight different transactions for a total of $1,663. After thoroughly inspecting every inch of the 184 cards, I concluded that two were trimmed and not one was altered, colored, soaked, or smelled of chemical. In fact, if he was altering cards, he did a horrible job on mine!! I am not implying that this guy never did anything that he is being accused of, but I am defending him on my personal transactions. The one thing that I continually found Waverly82 guilty of is "over grading" the conditions of the cards he sold. His definition of NM may not be consistent with that of many of us seasoned collectors. For that reason, I always placed my bids closer to the grade just below what his EBAY ad stated. Reading this thread has made me thankful for all the honest dealers that I have had the opportunity to buy from for these past 40 years.