Blue front 1958 Hank Aaron

[vintage954]

That blue variation went for a lot!

I have an off topic question for everyone, and I didn't want to start a war but does anyone buy from gregmorriscards? I've been buying from him for years and always picked up commons for .99-1.50 but within the last two months I've noticed the same exact cards I've purchased multiple times going for 3 or 4 times more.
I'm starting to think that he is "shilling" his own auctions. Am I out of line?

[ALR-bishop]

Here is mine. It is scarce but recurring.I have seen at least a half dozen on ebay or in threads. Do not know if they are all due to light damage or a print run defect. If the latter, you would think other cards in the set would be affected. I did not pay nearly that much for mine on ebay a couple of years back, but it has since been discussed in threads here and on CU ,and so may now have more recognition in the community of variation/oddity collectors

[Paul S]

Originally Posted by vintage954

That blue variation went for a lot!

I have an off topic question for everyone, and I didn't want to start a war but does anyone buy from gregmorriscards? I've been buying from him for years and always picked up commons for .99-1.50 but within the last two months I've noticed the same exact cards I've purchased multiple times going for 3 or 4 times more.
I'm starting to think that he is "shilling" his own auctions. Am I out of line?

"Shilling" is hardly off topic in these parts but you'll be reminded to use your full name if you are going to accuse someone directly. Can you at least provide some examples? Links, etc.

[vintage954]

Remember, I'm not "accusing" anyone. I simply asked if anyone is noticing it. Like I said, I've ordered from Greg for years and I continue to order daily and WILL continue.

[bnorth]

The blue cards are because they are missing the yellow from the printing process or it was removed. Yellow is very easy to remove and I would guess 99% of this type of cards are altered. The missing ink cards are my 2nd favorite printing error. I never buy them unless I can look at them in hand because finding a real one is next to impossible. Notice how this mysteriously only happens on star players cards.

Can't give a 100% yes or no on this one. The area around the Indian is the only place that really worries me. If it is real it should not be that off white, It should be white like the borders.

[ALR-bishop]

Here is a different example that Ben and I discussed in another thread. Likely due exposure to light. Maybe tampering.

[Exhibitman]

Great thread here, guys.

After reading the posts and looking for a blue card for a while I am less comfortable with their legitimacy than I had been before. The white letter variation of the Aaron card has yellow in the logo area and a green background. Ditto the other white letter cards--they have their normal yellows. If the Aaron is legit, there should be an entire sheet worth of printing errors without yellow in them to accompany it, and given the number of them we are seeing lately, there should be quite a few no-yellow cards that are not the white letter variation. So I guess the question is, does anyone else have a yellow ink totally missing card from the 1958 series the Aaron is in?

[ALR-bishop]

Could you "create" such a card by exposure to the sun or other light source ?

Anyone know what cards are on the same sheet with the Aaron ?

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

Could you "create" such a card by exposure to the sun or other light source ?

Anyone know what cards are on the same sheet with the Aaron ?

Al you would be amazed at what can be "created" with proper exposure.

[brewing]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

After reading the posts and looking for a blue card for a while I am less comfortable with their legitimacy than I had been before. The white letter variation of the Aaron card has yellow in the logo area and a green background. Ditto the other white letter cards--they have their normal yellows. If the Aaron is legit, there should be an entire sheet worth of printing errors without yellow in them to accompany it, and given the number of them we are seeing lately, there should be quite a few no-yellow cards that are not the white letter variation. So I guess the question is, does anyone else have a yellow ink totally missing card from the 1958 series the Aaron is in?

Adam was the first to bring it up and Richard restated it with a picture of the sheet.

Put me in the camp that believes the ones that have been in the hobby when it was considered a negative are from fading and the newer ones are from the same or intentional fading.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by brewing

Put me in the camp that believes the ones that have been in the hobby when it was considered a negative are from fading and the newer ones are from the same or intentional fading.

This is what I believe also. I have never seen a real non faded one and ALL the pictures of them I have seen including the ones in this thread have the signs of "fading".

One of the things I look for in a real missing yellow card or one that has been faded is if there is any yellow at all left. In my experience yellow shows up in a picture better than it does on the card in hand. A faint even yellow is a big red flag for me. Like in the logo of every card pictured in this thread. On all the real light yellow printed cards I have seen the yellow in not as even with lighter/darker spots in it as the ink runs out in the press. I know we have a couple others with printing experience please add your experience also.

The Mantle pictured below is an example of what a card looks like before the press completely runs out of ink. It is a patchy yellow not a faint even yellow. It is easiest to see in the words Valuable Players.

I also want to point out I am not trying to put anybodys card(s) down I am just trying to save error collector's a lot of money by not buying altered cards.

[frankh8147]

"I have an off topic question for everyone, and I didn't want to start a war but does anyone buy from gregmorriscards? I've been buying from him for years and always picked up commons for .99-1.50 but within the last two months I've noticed the same exact cards I've purchased multiple times going for 3 or 4 times more.
I'm starting to think that he is "shilling" his own auctions. Am I out of line?"


As far as I am concerned, he is a very, very good seller. I won the below item at a very fair price and have been looking for it a few years so as far as i'm concerned, he's a hero haha. I messaged him a few times during the process and he was very professional, courteous and polite. My point though, if his higher dollar items are selling at fair prices, I highly doubt he would shill lower dollar items.

[ALR-bishop]

If I had a prior or ongoing business relationship with a seller with whom I was otherwise generally pleased, and noticed some odd results in recent auctions in which I participated, I would first take up the matter directly with the seller, who may or may not have a simple explanation.

[mrmantlecollector]

Here is mine. Picked it up at a card show a couple of years ago fo $20.00
Have seen a few more sence then and there have been a couple of post on this card on this forum.

[tbob]

Originally Posted by mrmantlecollector

Here is mine. Picked it up at a card show a couple of years ago fo $20.00
Have seen a few more sence then and there have been a couple of post on this card on this forum.

Thanks Jerry, I appreciate seeing the card and the info!
Bob M.

[mattsedate]

Originally Posted by frankh8147

"I have an off topic question for everyone, and I didn't want to start a war but does anyone buy from gregmorriscards? I've been buying from him for years and always picked up commons for .99-1.50 but within the last two months I've noticed the same exact cards I've purchased multiple times going for 3 or 4 times more.
I'm starting to think that he is "shilling" his own auctions. Am I out of line?"


As far as I am concerned, he is a very, very good seller. I won the below item at a very fair price and have been looking for it a few years so as far as i'm concerned, he's a hero haha. I messaged him a few times during the process and he was very professional, courteous and polite. My point though, if his higher dollar items are selling at fair prices, I highly doubt he would shill lower dollar items.

The people could be shilling out of spite and get outbid, so the items go for higher in price. He may not have anything to do with it. There seem to be so many different ways of shilling. There are probably people that have shilled and don't view it and having shilled.

[Sean1125]

Originally Posted by vintage954

That blue variation went for a lot!

I have an off topic question for everyone, and I didn't want to start a war but does anyone buy from gregmorriscards? I've been buying from him for years and always picked up commons for .99-1.50 but within the last two months I've noticed the same exact cards I've purchased multiple times going for 3 or 4 times more.
I'm starting to think that he is "shilling" his own auctions. Am I out of line?

Greg and I never have and never will shill auctions. Every card sold. I can't release who won the card but it is a very avid collector.

[Republicaninmass]

I would hope by now most of us in the hobby know who 9***9 is although one of the lower bidders b***b had/has some strange habits

[tbob]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

I would hope by now most of us in the hobby know who 9***9 is although one of the lower bidders b***b had/has some strange habits

Not sure what this means but if you are suggesting that this is a shill bidder I can assure you this is not the case. This is a bidder who seriously wanted the card and is well respected in the hobby.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Nevermind, I was confused.

[Sean1125]

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[Rich Klein]

One of the dealers at my little Plano show last Sunday bought a blue front Aaron he only found out about through Sean's auctions. He thinks it will grade a "7".

Rich

[BillP]

Originally Posted by vintage954

That blue variation went for a lot!

I have an off topic question for everyone, and I didn't want to start a war but does anyone buy from gregmorriscards? I've been buying from him for years and always picked up commons for .99-1.50 but within the last two months I've noticed the same exact cards I've purchased multiple times going for 3 or 4 times more.
I'm starting to think that he is "shilling" his own auctions. Am I out of line?

I have bought many and am always pleased with the grading and service. I do think that the cards are bid up higher than base, but I attribute that to the somewhat undergrading that is in the description. I doubt that someone, for commons has the wherewithal to bid up these cards.

[jason.1969]

Originally Posted by vintage954

That blue variation went for a lot!

I have an off topic question for everyone, and I didn't want to start a war but does anyone buy from gregmorriscards? I've been buying from him for years and always picked up commons for .99-1.50 but within the last two months I've noticed the same exact cards I've purchased multiple times going for 3 or 4 times more.
I'm starting to think that he is "shilling" his own auctions. Am I out of line?

Jason Schwartz here. I bought a couple cards from this seller at GREAT prices. Perhaps my items were too cheap to care about, but I'm sure he could have gotten more out of me if he felt like it.

[ALR-bishop]

Were they blue ? :-)

[jason.1969]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

Were they blue ? :-)

Only the T206 Wagner!