Buyer Beware these auctions

[CW]

Originally Posted by MattyC

A 52 Mick in SGC 5 for 18k or best offer is obviously a scam. 5s in this market will command 20-30k if not more with eye appeal.

I don't think the 18K price is too far off (if it was a great deal, someone would have already hit the BIN). SGC 60s don't command the same premium as PSA 5s. In researching past prices on this card, it just doesn't seem like SGC gets as much respect in the postwar market as PSA (prewar being a different story). Centering and surface flaws seem to play a huge role in variations of pricing within a specific grade.

If this SGC 60 Mantle were a legit card in a good slab, the scuff on the surface and the l/r centering make this a sub-18K card, imo (my offer to this seller was under 16.5K, and he accepted it claiming it was the highest offer he received).

I do agree, though, that altogether it was too good to be true.

As Chris mentioned, the card in the SGC 60 auction is the exact same PSA 4 sold by Heritage a few years back. I actually thought the card was simply crossed over to a higher grade SGC slab, but after seeing comments in this thread I'm thinking it might be a photoshop job.

One other thing that looked very strange in the Mantle images is the frosting on the edges doesn't match when comparing front and back scans. Notice on the comparison of the Cobb slab how the frosting on the back mirrors what is on the front (the Cobb is in a known legit holder)

[MyGuyTy]

Originally Posted by CW

I don't think the 18K price is too far off (if it was a great deal, someone would have already hit the BIN). SGC 60s don't command the same premium as PSA 5s. In researching past prices on this card, it just doesn't seem like SGC gets as much respect in the postwar market as PSA (prewar being a different story). Centering and surface flaws seem to play a huge role in variations of pricing within a specific grade.

If this SGC 60 Mantle were a legit card in a good slab, the scuff on the surface and the l/r centering make this a sub-18K card, imo (my offer to this seller was under 16.5K, and he accepted it claiming it was the highest offer he received).

I do agree, though, that altogether it was too good to be true.

As Chris mentioned, the card in the SGC 60 auction is the exact same PSA 4 sold by Heritage a few years back. I actually thought the card was simply crossed over to a higher grade SGC slab, but after seeing comments in this thread I'm thinking it might be a photoshop job.

One other thing that looked very strange in the Mantle images is the frosting on the edges doesn't match when comparing front and back scans. Notice on the comparison of the Cobb slab how the frosting on the back mirrors what is on the front (the Cobb is in a known legit holder)

Completely agree with this, I don't think I've ever see a $30K SGC 60 Mantle. 20K or a hair over is possible for a PSA 5 if everything checks out completely and it's a gem of a 5. I would say a nice comfortable range for an SGC 60 is 15.5-19.5K

[earlywynnfan]

He told me the items were on consignment. I see he's pulled them all.

[team-of-rivals]

He was feelin' the heat! I absolutely love the fact that Net54 members are 'always lookin' out for one another! Glad to be on board!

[iwantitiwinit]

Told me the same, I told him the Rose was sketchy and people were on to him and he sends me back this:

Dear iwantitiwinit,I noticed as well! Thank you for the e-mail! I pulled the Rose & the Gibson after I received several e-mails. These cards were not mine and on consignment. I hope you feel better about this now as I do not want any issues.- premier-cards.

Great job on outing this guy.

[MikeGarcia]

The penalties for conspiracy to commit interstate wire fraud are substantial . I hope for his sake that his cellmate doesn't think he's cute.