What's the real deal with these Cuban cards?

[ernestohur68]

HE WANT TO KNOW PEOPLE IN UNITED STATE KNOW THAT HE EXIST. I ASK HIM FOR HELP BECAUSE HE IS THE ONLY (NOT RYAN OR ANY OTHER) THAT CAN TELL IF THE CARDS ARE ORIGINAL. OTHER PERSON WHO WROTE ME TO CONFIRMED THAN THE CARD ARE ORIGNAL IS LUIS MUÑOZ. I am sure that after Rolando he is the other who now more about Cuban baseball cards. he live in United States and I collectors know who he is. Other who know who Rolando is is CESAR LOPEZ, the owner of the site cubanball. Rolando gave me persimission to tell that he was the source for some cards in that site. You can see in the site who they gave thanks to ROLANDO SANCHEZ

[ernestohur68]

Tomorrow at 3.00 o clock rolando will be here in the post.ryan or any other that think he don't want to be public or justwant to talk with him alive, he will be here at that time. He will go to my husband house in habana, and he will be with him in the computer. Ryan, let me know now, what will you say?

[ernestohur68]

I just talk with rolando by phone. He said that ryan is a very prestigius expert and that he is sure from now than ryan will say that cards are originals. He say that ryan know the cards are originals , that he can't put in game his reputation telling than cards are not originals. Anyway tomorrow at 3.00 o clock, rolando will be in the forum to peopleo who think that i am using him and the he don't want to be public, as ryan said

[T206DK]

I love old Cuban cards. this story has me confused though.

[sebie43]

Originally Posted by T206DK

I love old Cuban cards. this story has me confused though.

+1

[Section103]

Can PSA or SGC determine they are original? That would put an awful lot of pointless discussion to rest.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Section103

Can PSA or SGC determine they are original? That would put an awful lot of pointless discussion to rest.

No disrespect to the TPG's but these guys know more than they do about Cuban cards.

[Section103]

Originally Posted by Leon

No disrespect to the TPG's but these guys know more than they do about Cuban cards.

Yeah, I was afraid of that. I put all of my trust in Ryan C. It also has to be a precarious position to judge a card not in hand.

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by ernestohur68

I just talk with rolando by phone. He said that ryan is a very prestigius expert and that he is sure from now than ryan will say that cards are originals. He say that ryan know the cards are originals , that he can't put in game his reputation telling than cards are not originals. Anyway tomorrow at 3.00 o clock, rolando will be in the forum to peopleo who think that i am using him and the he don't want to be public, as ryan said

3:00 what time zone?

[ElCabron]

How about we let Rolando speak for himself? If he wants people to know who he is, he doesn't need anyone else to do it for him, but I can say a few words to help introduce him. For anyone who doesn't know, Rolando Sanchez is the world's leading authority on Cuban baseball cards. No one has had more Cuban baseball cards pass through their hands than Rolando, including myself. I've done a lot of business with Rolando in the past and would not have the collection I have today were it not for him. I've been to his house several times and seen some of the cards in person that are posted in those pictures above. I trust his opinion, and if Rolando says the cards are real, that is good enough for me. If ROLANDO says it. Not someone saying Rolando says it.

However, I have some very specific doubts about them that perhaps Rolando can address. There are some red flags here. My doubts are more about the 4 Almendares cards than the amateur cards, but I do have some doubt on the whole group. It's possible they're real, though. Without seeing them in person, it is much harder for me to tell. It sounds like more will be revealed tomorrow at 3:00 in some time zone.

-Ryan

[ernestohur68]

Some people travel to Cuba, get Cuban baseball cards in cheap prices, they try to control the market, same people wrote directly to sellers in ebay to try to buy good items. Those people say some cards are fakes to control the market. Same people say his opinion one day before an auction close because they know cards are good and they want to buy them. But the time of this kind of people is near to the end. One of this people is MANNY who wrote me in Ebay, he used to go to Cuba to buy cards. I don't want to mention more names. Just think: why don't write his opinion if he know tha the cards are goods. Rolando will be ready tomorrow to talk with Ryan ore any other tomorrow. NOBODY CAN CONTROL THE MARKET, THIS IS A FREE WORLD.

[ernestohur68]

can I send the cards to PSA from Spain?

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by ernestohur68

NOBODY CAN CONTROL THE MARKET, THIS IS A FREE WORLD.

Cuba isn't free.

[ernestohur68]

Not freedom is good to peopleo who use and abuse of the cubans buying cards in 20 and selling them in 2000

[ernestohur68]

We will be wainting for you. Can we use a web cam in this site?

[ernestohur68]

Respond, that will be the proof that it will be rolando himself and not me taling by him. Ana

[ernestohur68]

Ryan i am cuban, not american like you and i paid good half of the price that i put in auction

[ElCabron]

Originally Posted by ernestohur68

Not freedom is good to peopleo who use and abuse of the cubans buying cards in 20 and selling them in 2000

So you bought these for $20?

[ElCabron]

By the way, you could also have Rolando send me an email if he'd rather communicate that way.

-Ryan

[ernestohur68]

I would like to tell Ryan that I tried to removed your name from the ebay items but it was impossible because item has bid
I like to apologize to you for by rude but in some occasions is because my English is very bad and others because I feel very bad cause
Your are the experts, I am just a seller.
Please let the auctions in ebay.
I am leaving at 8.00 o clock to Spain.

[ernestohur68]

Cesar, I am very sorry for used your name with out your permission. You have a great site.

[ernestohur68]

Ryan, I won like to made danger to the world of collectors of Cuban baseball cards. I would accept what do you suggest I can do with the cards. Please let me know if you want I close them from ebay and I will send them to you. then you can revise them personally. After that you can do what you think is the best is they are originals 1-Return them to me to list them in ebay again 2-Sell them in your site for a commission 3-Buy them from me. If they are fakes, YOU CAN DESTROY THEM.
LET ME KNOW AS SOON AS YOU CAN. I have to travel in some hours.

[ElCabron]

Ernesto,

I just replied to the message you sent me privately. I didn't realize you also posted your message on the board. Generally I do not like when people post private messages on the public forum, but feel free to post my response if you so desire. I can sum it up for people here by saying that I am back to Dr. David Banner status, albeit with lots of shredded clothes. I have called off the dogs for now.

Thanks for your message,

-Ryan

[ernestohur68]

Ernesto,

Thank you for your message. I appreciate your gesture of good will. All I ask is that you remove my name from the eBay listing. I would not be interested in buying the cards for myself, nor would I be interested in selling them as I am still not confident about their authenticity. I have not called eBay yet today. Since you sent this message, I will not be calling them. I am glad, because this is something I was really hoping I wouldn't have to do. I am not trying to ruin your business, even though you do damage to mine when you imply that I have endorsed cards that might not be real. My reputation, professionally, is important to me. It's one thing to attack me personally. It's very different went you start impacting my professional reputation, and that is what you did by putting my name in your ebay auction. That's why I was so angry about it.

It has always been about whether or not the cards are real. I wish I had the opportunity to look at the cards in person. I don't need you to end your auction or send me the cards, especially since there is already a bidder. But perhaps you could let the winning bidder know that I would very much like to view them in person. In fact, I would be willing to pay a small amount for that opportunity. If they are real, I think it's fantastic and would like for them to known as real. I never said they were fake. I've only been saying I have many doubts about them. I do think it's very possible they are real.

So, thank you for your message. Hopefully we can treat each other more respectfully moving forward.

-Ryan

[ernestohur68]

Sorry for all what I did. I feel bad with all this. i am trying to fix all what i did bad and made all from the beginning.

[mannybb24]

No hard feelings Ernesto, I do feel bad that Ryan and Cesar had to get dragged through all of this though but hopefully only good will come out of it.

Not sure what you have decided to do with the cards but I think giving Ryan a chance to actually feel and examine the cards sounds like the best route to take.

Thank you for unblocking me (again) but I too will not be bidding.

I am hoping in the end these cards are 100% legit though, not only for you sake but it would be great for all Cuban baseball card collectors to see a new discovery.

Steve

[Scocs]

Well, folks, that concludes another exciting episode. Stay tuned next week when we'll be discussing the Shroud of Turin and Grilled Cheesus....