What's the real deal with these Cuban cards?

[Exhibitman]

I can add some info on Romeo y Julieta ["RyJ"]. The company is known for a pair of mid-1920s boxing issues as well as some nonsports movie cards. The front format of the cards on eBay roughly matches with a rare boxing issue:



Here is the principal boxing issue:





The cards are real photo, so there should be signs of silvering and very difficult to duplicate photographic age on them. Backs are found with black or [very rare] brown printing. There are tone variations among the cards with some sepia and some grayer. Also, there is a pretty good variance in size.

I have no idea who the seller is, so no opinion there. Is there another thread on these?

In terms of potential for discoveries, I do a lot of research on Latin American boxing cards and new issues surface seemingly every year. Last year two Cuban tobacco boxing issues popped up. New cards also surface periodically from established sets, most of which cannot be definitively checklisted.

There are two or three guys here I can think of on this board who have even more experience than me or anyone else in the world handling RyJ cards. Ryan Christoff is one of them. The others may not be 'out' so I won't mention names, but certainly any of them could examine these cards and give a pretty solid opinion on whether they are consistent with the genuine RyJ issues.

[ernestohur68]

Hello, I am the seller of the Romeo & Julieta card in Ebay. About the authenticity of them. I know nothing about baseball cards. I never saw Nacionales as somebody named Manni told me. But I contacted the biggest collector in the island to revised the cards inmediatly I bough them. Now I returned to his house and tell him what some people are saying about the cards. He confirmed again that the cards are original. I show in this post know some other cards in his collection, including other two issues of R&J cards that he found about 15 years ago. He told me that Ryan saw those cards in his house about 5 years ago and he was very surprised. He told me that anybody who has doubt about who is him can ask RYAN, can ask to Cesar Lopez, the owner of CUBANBALL. All of them know that he has the biggest collection of Cuban baseball cards, that he is working in the book about Cuban baseball cards. I show pictures of him with some of even more rarest cards of his collection. Rolando is a very serious people, he told me that he was who discovered the fakes in a lot of Cuban baseball cards, he was the source for many years to all the American who came to Cuba to buy this kind of item. I show 1 photo of him with Monte Irving and this is a good history to you: he asked Monte "Which is your rookie card?. Irving respond: "it is the Topps" and Rolando show him the album that Monte is seen in the photo with the Cuban EL INDIO card that was issued before TOPPS card. You can see in the photos others very rare cards CIGARS EL JUNTO, J.L. PIEDRA. DIHIGO CAMPO ALEGRE, LA MALLORQUINA (POP LLOYD), some PUNCH, GENER (ADOLFO LUQUE). NOW YOU HAVE INFORMATION TO OPEN MORE POST ABOUT OTHER RARE CUBAN BASEBALL CARD. NOW EVERYBODY WILL KNOW that the person who know more about Cuban baseball cards is not in UNITED STATES. HIS NAME IS ROLANDO SANCHEZ and he live in CUBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.

[Brian Van Horn]

Love the album.

[ernestohur68]

One more time. I am not an expert. But Rolando is an expert. I just buy and sell Cuban items. I don't made fakes. I found the cards together with other cards. If you want pictures of the album where the cards were found I can add them to the forum.

[packs]

Just a quick question. You said in your post you went to his house to ask him again about the cards after questions arose. But on eBay it says that your location is Spain. You said the gentleman lives in Cuba. Just wondering about the disparity between the location of the cards, your location, and the man in Cuba.

[ElCabron]

I'll post my opinion about these shortly, but are you sure Rolando is okay with you posting pictures of him on the internet? As you know, he lives in CUBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA and has always been more discreet than that.

-Ryan

[Jaybird]

Originally Posted by ElCabron

I'll post my opinion about these shortly, but are you sure Rolando is okay with you posting pictures of him on the internet? As you know, he lives in CUBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA and has always been more discreet than that.

-Ryan

I agree. Paraphrasing is one thing but posting quotes and pictures from a personal message is a bit out of bounds. There's a reason why people are reluctant to share hobby information.

[ernestohur68]

Rolando know what i am doing. I am in spain but my husband and my partner is in cuba. I wrote for them and for me. Rolando gave me permission to talk about him. You can call him. You know he is discret person, you know he is serius and you, ryan know that cards are originals. Don't try to occult to the peopleo your first source in cuba. Do you think you are cabron? Yes you are

[ernestohur68]

HE WANT TO KNOW PEOPLE IN UNITED STATE KNOW THAT HE EXIST. I ASK HIM FOR HELP BECAUSE HE IS THE ONLY (NOT RYAN OR ANY OTHER) THAT CAN TELL IF THE CARDS ARE ORIGINAL. OTHER PERSON WHO WROTE ME TO CONFIRMED THAN THE CARD ARE ORIGNAL IS LUIS MUÑOZ. I am sure that after Rolando he is the other who now more about Cuban baseball cards. he live in United States and I collectors know who he is. Other who know who Rolando is is CESAR LOPEZ, the owner of the site cubanball. Rolando gave me persimission to tell that he was the source for some cards in that site. You can see in the site who they gave thanks to ROLANDO SANCHEZ