T206 Wagner & Plank....anti-tobacco dudes....printed together on a sheet

[teetwoohsix]

Originally Posted by Jcfowler6

Is it possible the Planks or Wagners were withheld to get people to buy more tobacco products chasing them?

I've wondered about this as well.

I've also wondered if the stories about Wagner being anti-tobacco are slightly inflated, or have become so over the years. Like maybe there's some truth to it, but over the years it picked up steam and grew to be thought of as fact as to why there are so little of his cards, when it may not be the reason at all. I only say this because-he did use tobacco, and his likeness was even used on tobacco packaging.

Another thing is- I can see the reasoning behind not wanting to promote smoking to children, but- I remember watching a silent movie once and they had a young kid (who appeared to be maybe 8 or 9 years old) smoking a cigarette around adults, like it was normal! It was bizarre, but maybe common in those times? I don't know.

Another thing is- I feel that just because someone doesn't use something doesn't necessarily mean they are "anti" that particular thing. Using myself as an example, I don't drink alcohol, and haven't for years- but, I am not "anti-alcohol". I am not against other people choosing to use it. Maybe a lame example and I can come up with others but hopefully I'm making a point

Great discussion, and interesting theories.

Sincerely, Clayton

[tedzan]

Thanks for the memories (photo)......and, thanks for the complimentary words.


T-Rex TED

[Bpm0014]

I didnt think Plank went to college...

[tedzan]

Plank attended Gettysburg Academy (a prep school affiliated with Gettysburg College).

Gettysburg College pitching coach, Frank Foreman, was Plank's mentor for the years Plank pitched for the College team.
In the Spring of 1901, Foreman contacted his friend Connie Mack. Eddie Plank essentially went from Gettysburg College
team to the Philadelphia A's without any Minor League experience.

Nothing unusual about this, since Connie Mack preferred to scout his players directly from College BB teams.

Plank did not enroll in Gettysburg College.


TED Z

[hshrimps]

There are more Plank out there than Wagner. Am I wrong???

[steve B]

Nope, not wrong.

From the pop reports just now. With Magie thrown in for fun.

wagner
PSA SC 12
PSA P 0
PSA Unknown 21
SGC 13 SC150 12
SC 350 1 * tot 46
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Plank
SGC 28 p150 2
sc150 6
sc350 20

PSA SC 35
p 1
Unknown 30 tot 94
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Magie
PSA P 50
unknown 57
SGC p 55 tot 162


SGC shows a 350 Wagner. I have to think that's an error, or done very early when maybe they did all T206s as 1910.

Of course there are some that aren't graded. And At least a handful of crackouts or crossovers.

Steve B

[wonkaticket]

My two Planks above would mess up those Pops as they were both PSA at one time FWIW.

John