T206 Wagner & Plank....anti-tobacco dudes....printed together on a sheet

[wonkaticket]

Ted, not going to go back and forth with you for hours nor will I have you twist my comments around either. My comment has nothing to due with your sheet layouts for T205s etc. you know this.

My comment above is about you claiming in a factual way that Eddie Plank had his card pulled by bringing action against the ALC. This is something you have no proof of yet you make comments like the below. So as said prior provide evidence of this event, or admit it's "your" take on what happened and leave it at that.

"Plank was anti-tobacco in any form *** (but, mellow Eddie wasn't as vocal about it as Wagner). It's unknown when Plank informed ALC to cease & desist issuing his T206 card"

Stop framing your ideas/posts as factual events. Neither you nor I or anyone else knows for sure why the T206 Plank is scarce. The only difference is I'm a big enough person to admit that I don't know for sure and am willing to listen to others thoughts.

Drop the drama act already. Believe me Ted I won't take your word as you instructed and it's that very reason your upset because I won't take you at your word on claims like the above.

The one thing the hobby is not short on in terms of T206s is experts...Planks yes experts nope plenty of them.

John

[tedzan]

I misunderstood your comments in a prior post....and, I apologize for this.

From now on, I will keep my theory(s) regarding the T206 Plank card to myself.

Incidently, I deleted my sarcastic remark in the above T205 post....sorry about that, too.

I would like a favor from you. You have tracked the T206 Plank's for quite some time. Could you provide me a breakdown
of the Sweet Cap 150 backed cards with respect to the Factory #25 vs. the Factory #30 ones.

Whenever convenient....I would really appreciate this.

TED Z

[wonkaticket]

Ted, yes I will send you the breakdown and no worries. Your thoughts are as good as anyone else's when it comes to the Plank card as I said nobody really knows so its anyone's guess. Just sometimes your thoughts are typed in a way that seems more like a declared fact vs. an educated guess that's all I'm saying.

Cheers,

John

[Leon]

Originally Posted by wonkaticket

Ted, yes I will send you the breakdown and no worries. Your thoughts are as good as anyone else's when it comes to the Plank card as I said nobody really knows so its anyone's guess. Just sometimes your thoughts are typed in a way that seems more like a declared fact vs. an educated guess that's all I'm saying.

Cheers,

John

John, you are both good guys. You have to admit at least Ted is being proactive in putting out a hypothesis, like so many others aren't. A different word here or there, and phrased a bit differently, and you guys are singing from the same hymnal. Just like the good ole days!!

[wonkaticket]

Leon, agree have no ill will towards Ted anyone who collects cards is golden in my book (with a few exceptions).

[Jcfowler6]

Is it possible the Planks or Wagners were withheld to get people to buy more tobacco products chasing them?

[teetwoohsix]

Originally Posted by Jcfowler6

Is it possible the Planks or Wagners were withheld to get people to buy more tobacco products chasing them?

I've wondered about this as well.

I've also wondered if the stories about Wagner being anti-tobacco are slightly inflated, or have become so over the years. Like maybe there's some truth to it, but over the years it picked up steam and grew to be thought of as fact as to why there are so little of his cards, when it may not be the reason at all. I only say this because-he did use tobacco, and his likeness was even used on tobacco packaging.

Another thing is- I can see the reasoning behind not wanting to promote smoking to children, but- I remember watching a silent movie once and they had a young kid (who appeared to be maybe 8 or 9 years old) smoking a cigarette around adults, like it was normal! It was bizarre, but maybe common in those times? I don't know.

Another thing is- I feel that just because someone doesn't use something doesn't necessarily mean they are "anti" that particular thing. Using myself as an example, I don't drink alcohol, and haven't for years- but, I am not "anti-alcohol". I am not against other people choosing to use it. Maybe a lame example and I can come up with others but hopefully I'm making a point

Great discussion, and interesting theories.

Sincerely, Clayton