T206 Wagner & Plank....anti-tobacco dudes....printed together on a sheet

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by wonkaticket

Ted there is absolutely no shred of evidence that I’m aware of that Eddie Plank ever took any action to discontinue/interfere with the production of his premium insert card produced by the ALC for distribution with ATC products.

Do you have something more than Plank didn’t like tobacco, or the hall of fame dinner where a person of a person said he didn’t like tobacco. If so please provide that info.

Otherwise it’s not about “when” he did something but more about “if” he ever did anything at all?

John, I love it when you get in an argument with Ted and pull out your Plank

Those are beauties!

[wonkaticket]

Thanks Scott LOL.

Don't own the 150 anymore sold last year was a great card I sort of miss it.

[tedzan]

Hey guys......here is that recurring 12 factor again.

The artistic designs of these 12 Minor Leaguers (ML) are unlike the other T205 designs. All 12 of these subjects represent teams in the Eastern League.
These 12 subjects were printed only with two T-brand backs: HASSAN Factory #649 or POLAR BEAR. The bios on the backs of these cards suggest
that these 12 ML were printed at the tail end of the T205 press run (either in late 1911 or early 1912). And, I would venture to say that these 12 guys
were printed on a separate sheet of their own.


Illustrated here is a theoretical 48-card sheet of the T205 Minor Leaguers (may have also been printed as a 96-card sheet).













Examples like this T205 Minor League group of 12
and,
the Exclusive 12 of the T206 (460-only) series....Post #3
and,
the 12 subjects in the T206 150-only group
and,
the 350 series printing of the T206 48 - Southern Leaguer subjects
and,
the 12 x 4 format of Major Leaguers in the 1910 COUPON (T213-1) set....Post #3
and,
similar examples in the T215 set............
plus,
other structural series in the T206 set (not yet mentioned) combine to make it quite obvious that the cards were formatted in columns of 12.
These facts are certainly enough evidence to my thinking that this pattern may have been American Lithographic's printing format.


TED Z
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[wonkaticket]

Ted, not going to go back and forth with you for hours nor will I have you twist my comments around either. My comment has nothing to due with your sheet layouts for T205s etc. you know this.

My comment above is about you claiming in a factual way that Eddie Plank had his card pulled by bringing action against the ALC. This is something you have no proof of yet you make comments like the below. So as said prior provide evidence of this event, or admit it's "your" take on what happened and leave it at that.

"Plank was anti-tobacco in any form *** (but, mellow Eddie wasn't as vocal about it as Wagner). It's unknown when Plank informed ALC to cease & desist issuing his T206 card"

Stop framing your ideas/posts as factual events. Neither you nor I or anyone else knows for sure why the T206 Plank is scarce. The only difference is I'm a big enough person to admit that I don't know for sure and am willing to listen to others thoughts.

Drop the drama act already. Believe me Ted I won't take your word as you instructed and it's that very reason your upset because I won't take you at your word on claims like the above.

The one thing the hobby is not short on in terms of T206s is experts...Planks yes experts nope plenty of them.

John

[tedzan]

I misunderstood your comments in a prior post....and, I apologize for this.

From now on, I will keep my theory(s) regarding the T206 Plank card to myself.

Incidently, I deleted my sarcastic remark in the above T205 post....sorry about that, too.

I would like a favor from you. You have tracked the T206 Plank's for quite some time. Could you provide me a breakdown
of the Sweet Cap 150 backed cards with respect to the Factory #25 vs. the Factory #30 ones.

Whenever convenient....I would really appreciate this.

TED Z

[wonkaticket]

Ted, yes I will send you the breakdown and no worries. Your thoughts are as good as anyone else's when it comes to the Plank card as I said nobody really knows so its anyone's guess. Just sometimes your thoughts are typed in a way that seems more like a declared fact vs. an educated guess that's all I'm saying.

Cheers,

John

[Leon]

Originally Posted by wonkaticket

Ted, yes I will send you the breakdown and no worries. Your thoughts are as good as anyone else's when it comes to the Plank card as I said nobody really knows so its anyone's guess. Just sometimes your thoughts are typed in a way that seems more like a declared fact vs. an educated guess that's all I'm saying.

Cheers,

John

John, you are both good guys. You have to admit at least Ted is being proactive in putting out a hypothesis, like so many others aren't. A different word here or there, and phrased a bit differently, and you guys are singing from the same hymnal. Just like the good ole days!!

[wonkaticket]

Leon, agree have no ill will towards Ted anyone who collects cards is golden in my book (with a few exceptions).