Anyone familiar with this Babe Ruth Postcard Issue?

Bicem · #1 02-24-2014, 09:59 AM

If this Ruth rppc was real, it would be worth A LOT. Cool Ruth image, early date, and probably most important... the Soci�t� Anonyme link.

However, as noted above, the reverse doesn't look good. The back looks stamped vs printed... compare it to the genuine Soci�t� Anonyme pc back and note the difference.

Also, no Soci�t� Anonyme credit anywhere on the front is not a good sign. Should at least have the S�A. Ideally would also have a photographer credit.

Wouldn't be surprised to see SGC slab one, they are pretty clueless when it comes to postcards.

smokelessjoe · #2 02-24-2014, 10:33 AM

How can an 8 foot statue of "The Babe" go missing???? This made me think of the OPs postcard....

http://www.nakian.org/Babe_Ruth.html

Runscott · #3 02-24-2014, 10:52 AM

We had a nice board melee over ten years ago regarding this, so I'll refrain from discussing further. I had always assumed that they were removed from the market at that time. I felt like I should give my 2 cents in this thread since I was involved way back when, but that's it for me regarding these particular items. I can't be the RPPC police

Edited: I've removed all of my other posts related to this topic. This is slowly turning into a repeat of ten years ago, and I can assure you that it was no fun then, and nothing was accomplished.

The Sandlot Kid · #4 02-28-2014, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by smokelessjoe

How can an 8 foot statue of "The Babe" go missing???? This made me think of the OPs postcard....

http://www.nakian.org/Babe_Ruth.html

Yikes... Ruth in Span~dex!

If I was Ruth I would of destroyed it my self...

Bicem · #5 03-01-2014, 10:45 AM

Did you end up buying or passing Jim?

Greenmonster · #6 03-01-2014, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Bicem

Did you end up buying or passing Jim?

It's being shipped to me. I wanted to take a good look. Will let you know.

1880nonsports · #7 02-24-2014, 11:22 AM

published in the early 1990's by Bob Ward and the Antique Paper Guild that I purchased when I was chasing some of these - I couldn't find much relevent to the discussion except a reference to a "bible" of sorts "Prairie Fires and Paper Moons, The American Photographic Postcard" where one could presumably research the back configuration and stamp box. If it isn't a photograph when looking at it with a loupe - it isn't real. If it IS a photograph more steps need to be taken with regard to the verso. Previous comments about attribution, "stamped" vs. printed, etc. are appropriate starting points. Making copy images has been around nearly as long as photography as has counterfitting for profit. Hard to tell without the item in hand but I lean to the no good camp as the image appears too flat.

no guarantees whether written or implied.

thecatspajamas · #8 02-24-2014, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by 1880nonsports

published in the early 1990's by Bob Ward and the Antique Paper Guild.

Henry, do you have the actual title of these? And are they worthwhile as references? (I assume so, since you're still referring to them). I'm always looking for "good" references to add to the library, but haven't picked up any related to RPPC's as yet.

joeadcock · #9 02-24-2014, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Bicem

If this Ruth rppc was real, it would be worth A LOT. .......Wouldn't be surprised to see SGC slab one, they are pretty clueless when it comes to postcards.

Jeff, yur hurtin me.

Bicem · #10 02-24-2014, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by joeadcock

Jeff, yur hurtin me.

sorry! (but they are)

ullmandds · #11 02-24-2014, 12:09 PM

So they are all fake? What about the one that Joe bought from Frank that was graded?

Jaybird · #12 02-25-2014, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by ullmandds

So they are all fake? What about the one that Joe bought from Frank that was graded?

I've always questioned the ones on Frank's page. For the reasons Jeff mentioned and also because anytime a PC with those images comes up, it's a fake. So, for the ones Frank to have sold to be the only real ones, I question that. More than likely they are fake like the rest of them.

And Jeff makes a good point. SGC doesn't know anything about postcards. I realize some board members rely on them for slabbing postcards with HOFers on them, but I've seen as many bad attribution as good ones. And heard as many stories of them rejecting obvious cards and slabbing questionable ones. It's just not their area of expertise.

joeadcock · #13 02-25-2014, 06:41 PM

Here is all I got, a front scan. Found it in my scan file. Dont keep majority of my stuff near and it takes a bit to get it(God/family/career). Sorry.

ullmandds · #14 02-25-2014, 07:21 PM

With my little knowledge of postcards I would say that scan is inconclusive and a back scan would be very helpful... Is there one on Franks site?

Greenmonster · #15 02-25-2014, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by joeadcock

Here is all I got, a front scan. Found it in my scan file. Dont keep majority of my stuff near and it takes a bit to get it(God/family/career). Sorry.

Yours is published by Photo-Roto Inc....interesting, here it is font & back......and other Photo-Roto comparisons.

The PRC backs match up...the Will Rogers has smudging too.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/BEAUTIFUL-SE...-/291073681401

http://www.ebay.com/itm/WILL-ROGERS-...-/191073120417

deadballpaul · #16 03-12-2014, 08:21 PM

Well, inspired by this topic, I sent the Ruth postcard that I bought from Frank to SGC, & they would not grade it. Here's a quote from an email reply I received from SGC. "I just spoke to Bob Luce, Senior Grader. He said that he has a suspicion that the card may not be from that era based on the look and feel of the card. And we could not confirm the date."

I think SGC made the right call on this one. I have always found it much easier to authenticate the photo engraved cards vs the RPPCs. I suppose I just haven't handled enough of them. Its an expensive lesson, but I'm learning....

joeadcock · #17 03-13-2014, 04:09 PM

Paul

Sorry man

joeadcock · #18 02-24-2014, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Bicem

sorry! (but they are)

Jeff

Just kiddin. I've been burned before. But i'm all for the "benefit of the doubt"

Ill try and get it tomorrow and post it and have everyone have a whack at whether SGC misgraded it.

baseballart · #19 02-24-2014, 07:41 PM

Any thread that has a post with a reference to Marcel Duchamps has to be good for the collective intellect of Net54

. Luckily (perhaps) for this postcard, there are no Magritte references.

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