Jumping the gun on 2020?..

[EvilKing00]

imo way over rated

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by EvilKing00

imo way over rated

maybe not "way".....but over rated nonetheless

[I Only Smoke 4 the Cards]

Originally Posted by EvilKing00

imo way over rated

He is a HOF but I know what you mean. He has benefited from being on great teams and playing in a huge market.

[sycks22]

I agree that he was a really good player, not great. 0 MVP, 1 GG (didn't deserve it). I do like how he respects baseball and never throws helmets and isn't a juicer

[DaClyde]

Originally Posted by sycks22

I agree that he was a really good player, not great. 0 MVP, 1 GG (didn't deserve it). I do like how he respects baseball and never throws helmets and isn't a juicer

Jeter had 5 Gold Gloves, meaningless though that award may be.

[MyGuyTy]

Originally Posted by sycks22

I agree that he was a really good player, not great. 0 MVP, 1 GG (didn't deserve it). I do like how he respects baseball and never throws helmets and isn't a juicer

Correction, 5 golden gloves, and being rated as the 2nd best SS of all time, I'd say that's pretty damn close to a "great" player. Offensively he's #2 all time behind only Wagner.

[EvilKing00]

I dont agree at all with him being the second best ss ever. Im no card wxpert but i do know baseball stats, and he just isnt 2 all time ss, no way

[MyGuyTy]

Originally Posted by EvilKing00

I dont agree at all with him being the second best ss ever. Im no card wxpert but i do know baseball stats, and he just isnt 2 all time ss, no way

I think I'll side with the paid professional statistical experts that say you're wrong. Now if we wanna know who the best realty agent of all time is, we'll come calling for you

[MyGuyTy]

Lupica might have nailed it.......

[itjclarke]

Jeter is an absolute man and I think when factoring his intangibles is far more valuable than stats alone (even though his stats are very very impressive). Sure his overall legend benefitted from having mega exposure in NYC.. but to that point you've also got give him credit because he's been able to stay/play in full spotlight and under a microscope, during a period there was a lot of general Yankee/Clemens/A-Rod BS, and he never really slipped up personally or professionally. Imagine guys like Mantle, Namath having to live in an era of cell phone cameras and Twitter. Jeter's pulled it off.

[HRBAKER]

Does Jeter get a boost from playing in NY and being on great teams, sure. But at the same time you have to give him credit for doing what he did where he did it.

[jiw98]

Originally Posted by EvilKing00

imo way over rated

Jeter's current ranking among HOF shortstops:

#1 Runs, #2 Hits(99 behind Wagner), #3 HR, T3 BA, #7 RBI, #3 in fielding %.
JMO but I don't see over rated at all.

[itjclarke]

Originally Posted by jiw98

Jeter's current ranking among HOF shortstops:

#1 Runs, #2 Hits(99 behind Wagner), #3 HR, T3 BA, #7 RBI, #3 in fielding %.
JMO but I don't see over rated at all.

Seriously! As I'd mentioned earlier, his stats are damn good.. Yet people always seem to overlook that, regardless of which side of the overrated argument you're on. He did little bit of everything (like a Kevin Garnett, Jason Kidd), and on top of that had an incredible intangible "it" factor. I don't care how much statisticians crunch numbers and WARs and VORPs (whatever the hell that is), "it" means a hell of a lot and you see that in any team sport. "It" leads from the front and keeps larger egos in check, "it" always does the right thing and says the right thing at the right times, "it" somehow always finds a way to make the play even if unconventionally (see Jer Giambi play), "it" makes others believers, "it" does more to win than most people give it credit for (seeing the 3rd base thread kills me because I think the "it" is generally ignored in the era of basement statisticians).

Jeter is an all timer, no question.

[Jim65]

Theres a lot to like about Jeter but he is overrated. They actually had a discussion on MLB whether hes in the Top 10 players of all time, which is a joke.