Were T215 Pirates distributed?

[Sean]

Wonka, your comment on SGC's grading of the 96 card find makes sense.

As for the collector, are we talking about Sir Edward Wharton Tigar? I know that our cards supposedly originated with him. Has it ever been determined that the 96 card set from 2007 was also originally Sir Edward's?

[wonkaticket]

Originally Posted by Sean

Wonka, your comment on SGC's grading of the 96 card find makes sense.

As for the collector, are we talking about Sir Edward Wharton Tigar? I know that our cards supposedly originated with him. Has it ever been determined that the 96 card set from 2007 was also originally Sir Edward's?

Correct the REA cards also came from Tigar to a US collector as I was told...so the bulk of the examples have come from overseas and have come from a few sources...for what that's worth.

P.S. Nice card Scott I always liked that pose.

[atx840]

I think a few likely were cut at the factory....would someone intentionally cut this (other then Johnny V )?

[sb1]

One thing that makes one wonder if the near set came from Tigar, several of them were uncatalogued at the time of the auction. I believe he was rather prolific in cataloguing with the World Tobacco Index and surely these would have listed these if he had owned them?? His entire collection went to museum in 1995 well ahead of the 2007 auction.

[wonkaticket]

Scott, Chris perhaps they all were factory cut you guys could be right if so I stand corrected etc.

I still wonder and doubt their distribution like Sean. I’m just amazed at the overall level of quality on the examples I’ve seen even the 50’s look so sharp. If they were issued to the public in any sizeable quantity I wish more folks took care of their cards like they did T215’s Pirate cards.

Also there is an amazing level of uniformity to the image quality, the centering and the look of the cards I’ve seen and I certainly haven’t seen them all. Am I the only one who has noticed just how almost perfect they are? If anything the quality control on T215 Pirates was well above that of T206 and other issues.

Really a fascinating issue of cards, wish I had more of them.

Scott I thought the same thing Tigar was like most cartophilist's and kept pretty good records from what I have been told...so wouldn't the unknown ones be known.....again from hearsay and folks talking over the years far from fact...

[Sean]

Scott and Wonka, thank you for your help. And Chris, thanks, I've never seen a T215 scrap before.

[Exhibitman]

I am not sure the Philippines is accurate. The NS ones I've seen are Chinese subject matters and I believe the writing on them is Chinese as well. Here is an interesting web page discussing the distribution:

http://www.jimsburntofferings.com/adschinapirate.html

If it was a P.I. issue, I would expect the language to be English or Tagalog, like these P.I. issues:





The Asian and African-distributed card sets are an area ripe for further analysis. There were a lot of cards that made their way around the world in the prewar era and how and why some of them got there needs explanation.

[1880nonsports]

came from Martin Murray's one time partner (?) and not Wharton. At least that's the way I heard about them prior to EWT's demise directly from the English owner some time in the mid 1990's while I was at a show. I am NOT an expert in anything. I will state however that at no time looking into the issue have I ever believed they were placed into packs. Just not credible. BTW I have a Pirates" advertising porcelain clock I'm looking to sell. I obviously have no shame.............

[wonkaticket]

Well said as usual Adam. I agree that’s what intrigues me about a lot of these random overseas issues especially the ones with very American themes such as boxing, baseball etc.

Henry you should know you can take me over the coals for sale items without having to resort to shameless plugs.

[ullmandds]

john...is that one of the bigger pirate cards? that's way cool!