What is scrap and what isn't?

[brob28]

Originally Posted by Bocabirdman

I just talked to a printer. He describes things as:

Scrap....Make-Readies for a run. (Leon's Masterpiece would indeed be Scrap)
Misprints....Lapses in Quality Control
Proof.... Test Print or Prints to achieve a perfect example. Failed Proofs would be Scrap in the days before computers.

I think this is a great summary. For clarity within our hobby, I would add:

Scrap: Not intended for the public
Misprints: Included in print runs intended for public distribution
Proof: Intended for internal use to determine feasability or design review.

[wonkaticket]

My company produces all sorts of items for distribution, for us it’s very simple. Anything that isn’t a fully finished product as intended by the licensor or our own internal approval for mass distribution is a scrap product.

Sure we can define certain stages of what that item may be internally but all are part of the full production process and were not intended for the public to see or own.

[Exhibitman]

The Coburn is most likely scrap because it is not to size for an issued card and is obviously hand-cut. I suppose it could have gone into a pack but I seriously doubt it. The Titus* looks to me an issued miscut.

* "Ill take Titties for $100 Alex"
"That's 'Titus' Mr. Connery"
"Not much with the ladies are you, Trebek?"
--with apologies to one of my favorite SNL sketches ever, celebrity Jeopardy with Sean Connery.

[mrvster]

I will refer to T206 in this post.....but all scrap are the same when it comes to cardboard/printing...


This is right up my alley....I have been differentiating "scrap" vs. "crap" for the last 15 or so years.....

Printer's Scrap.......is sometimes HARD to differentiate, but most are very obvious...the real deal scrap deserve mucho scratch/cheddar what ever you want to call it , THEY ARE UNIQUE CARDS UNTO THEMSELVES....alternative T206 cards, if you will....(I am almost surprised Mr. Ullman is not all over them, they are almost , essentially "bizarro" T206 , the exact opposite of T206)...

THIS is why I love ' Em....they are not the mundane, same 'ol cards.....these are unique unto themselves "snow flakes" "gems".....

usually, with scrap, no one else can own the card you do....a special card....

even similar scrap are different from each other....

I enjoy the FREAKINESS of them....they are aesthetically SICK.....and with no disrespect to the players pictured, almost SPOOKY



a "tweener" scrap (as I have termed them), are almost positively scrap, but can not get the 100 % positive confirmation.....I will touch on this later...


first off....AL BROWN OLD MILL ARE 1000 % SCRAP! O Ya....they are hand cut from a sheet that NEVER MADE IT INTO FACTORY PACKS/ CUT...they are a rare , non issued back...basically a F up


ALL SCRAP WERE not distributed in ANY packs. RE- PEAT SCRAPS WERE NOT ISSUED TO THE PUBLIC....they are essentially not even production cards......they are any cards that WERE NOT inserted into packs/or distributed to the public.....they were only privy to the people involved in the print process/distribution/ or design.....or the dumpster divers....they were mistakes/ or sheets used to set up the print machines for the production cards....hence, the printers created works of art without even knowing...


they give clues on the process of the lithography(which was beautiful I might add)....




PHEW...

1000% scraps are HAND CUT......true SCRAP is always hand cut....there may have been a factory blank back sheet that was factory cut, but I truly doubt it...

ALL SCRAPS ARE HAND CUT....the real obvious are the oversized hand cut......

most scrap have something wrong with it(ghost, missing ink, color, registration problem, miscut, ect, ect)....BUT NOT ALL OF THEM DO...


"tweener" scrap are most likely scraps, but can't be 100 % verified( cut short, ect)



if you need an opinion on a T206 Scrap/ or tweener....please email me.....




scrap are big bux, if someone tries to pawn one off on you as scrap, and your not sure, email me(I will not bother you to sell it unless your willing)


Peace

[ullmandds]

[QUOTE=mrvster;1240281](I am almost surprised Mr. Ullman is not all over them, they are almost , essentially "bizarro" T206 , the exact opposite of T206)...



Johny...I DO find these scraps interesting...they are very cool...and I love to see them...just not at the crazy prices being paid for them!

[barrysloate]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

The Coburn is most likely scrap because it is not to size for an issued card and is obviously hand-cut. I suppose it could have gone into a pack but I seriously doubt it. The Titus* looks to me an issued miscut.

* "Ill take Titties for $100 Alex"
"That's 'Titus' Mr. Connery"
"Not much with the ladies are you, Trebek?"
--with apologies to one of my favorite SNL sketches ever, celebrity Jeopardy with Sean Connery.

Alex, I'll take "The Rapists" for $100 please

That's "Therapists" Mr. Connery!

[wolf441]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

Alex, I'll take "The Rapists" for $100 please

That's "Therapists" Mr. Connery!

Alex, I'll take "The Penis Mightier" for $200

That's "The Pen is Mightier" Mr Connery...

[barrysloate]

Originally Posted by wolf441

Alex, I'll take "The Penis Mightier" for $200

That's "The Pen is Mightier" Mr Connery...

Good one!

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by wonkaticket

My company produces all sorts of items for distribution, for us it’s very simple. Anything that isn’t a fully finished product as intended by the licensor or our own internal approval for mass distribution is a scrap product.

Sure we can define certain stages of what that item may be internally but all are part of the full production process and were not intended for the public to see or own.

Hang onto it 100 years from now some lunatics may view it as a collectible.

[MVSNYC]

Once i saw Leon's initial post, i knew Johnny would be all over this thread.

As many people above have mentioned, they are cards that, for one reason or another, were weeded out due to QC issues, and never made it into distribution- missing color, blank back, upside down back, ghosts, multi-strike test runs, etc.

A few that i own...

[mrvster]

you know I'm scrap dreaming all day

I LOVE Those scraps you have....

the Hart is a sister card to my Thebo, Jamie's and Steve's.....off same sheet.....just like a brown old mill sheet.....total sickness rare cards...

Lafitte....who can't love these S.Ler's in the BB?????????? true scrap and beautiful...

I have one the Sweeney triplet....and the Mcintyre really "pops"....look at all those colors missing...anemic....

a sick display o' scraps there my friend....

Peter...........that was funny....

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Hang onto it 100 years from now some lunatics may view it as a collectible.

I have kept some "scrap" from a former company. One year we produced the badges for a Tiger Woods Golf Tournament and they got misprinted (If I recall they didn't have the cut lines so they couldn't get cut properly since that was all done digitally) so I kept the press run that got messed up. Hopefully some day Tiger Wood's collectors find them collectible making moving the rolls from house to house worth it. Also I know I am the only one with them because the other people at the company thought I was strange for wanting them so when QC found more mistakes they would bring them to me and ask if I wanted those also.

[frankbmd]

My company produces all sorts of items for distribution, for us it’s very simple. Anything that isn’t a fully finished product as intended by the licensor or our own internal approval for mass distribution is a scrap product.

Sure we can define certain stages of what that item may be internally but all are part of the full production process and were not intended for the public to see or own. Wonkaticket

Hang onto it 100 years from now some lunatics may view it as a collectible. Peter Spaeth

I have kept some "scrap" from a former company. One year we produced the badges for a Tiger Woods Golf Tournament and they got misprinted (If I recall they didn't have the cut lines so they couldn't get cut properly since that was all done digitally) so I kept the press run that got messed up. Hopefully some day Tiger Wood's collectors find them collectible making moving the rolls from house to house worth it. Also I know I am the only one with them because the other people at the company thought I was strange for wanting them so when QC found more mistakes they would bring them to me and ask if I wanted those also. bn2cardz

IF scrap hoarders need 100 years to find a lunatic buyer, there may be more than one lunatic in the scrap supply chain.
Personally I'm placing a large bet today with my bookie on the winner of the 2112 Kentucky Derby. Call Me Crazy .......maybe frankbmd

This post is respectfully submitted on a hand cut 3 x 5 blank back file card provided by Miss Ima Scrapsheet, VP of Communications for ScrapsRUs, a company you will not find on the web. Their website developer is also a lunatic.

Hang on to it, Leon.