TPG's and 1962 Green Tints, A Sad Tale

[Harford20]

Al, thanks. Darren sent me the photos with the differences marked previously. I used that to definitively identify my 1962 cards. Since I have the scan, I will try to email in to PSA. I wish I had just printed out a copy and taped it to the slab.

Dave

[ALR-bishop]

David---did you see the link in post 45 of that thread

Make that 44

[JollyElm]

The point of my guide, Al, is that it not only shows the cards side by side, but it also precisely points out the telltale differences between the two versions. That way, if you're looking at a single card you'll immediately know whether or not it is a GT.

Here's the Braves team:

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[ALR-bishop]

Both are great resources Daren. Wished I had one or both when building my set years ago

[JollyElm]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

Both are great resources Daren. Wished I had one or both when building my set years ago

Since you continue to purposefully misspell my name, which is just laughable in its own right, I guess I'll just have to start calling you 'All.'

[ALR-bishop]

Actually I am just a really bad speller, ask Bob. Sorry, no slight intended. I certainly admire the work you have done on the 62 greens.

But, feel free to call me anything you like

[D.P.Johnson]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

I certainly admire the work you have done on the 62 greens.

Ditto. Very impressive! I enjoy your threads Darren...

[D.P.Johnson]

Originally Posted by Harford20

I wish I had just printed out a copy and taped it to the slab. Dave

Brilliant idea...I never would have thought of doing something like that...Hopefully your email idea will work...Good luck Dave...

[HoofHearted]

Darren, I have a quick question for you in regards to the #190 Wally Moon no cap/batting pose variations. I have always felt that the no cap version was the green tint while the batting pose was the regular version. I based this on a comparison of the hues and textures of the uniform as being similar to the #183 Roger Craig variations. In your "Change of Pace..." thread, you also show Roger's darker hue as the green tint which I agree with.

Here are the cards in question as shown side-by-side from my Master Set Registry scans:





Here is a link to my Set Registry with scans of all the cards in the set including the green tint variations:

1962 Topps Master Set

Thanks for your effort in bringing this issue up. I haven't sent any GT cards in to get re-labeled and may not until there is a little more accuracy in the labeling!

[HoofHearted]

Nope. I just discovered something else that has made me change my mind about which Moon is the GT. Going through my Set Registry card-by-card, I noticed that the regular cards have a darker wood-grain border than the GT cards. The no-cap Moon card has the darker border so I'm going with that as the regular-issue card, too.

This seems to be true, too, looking at the cards side-by-side in the flickr account referenced in the other thread.

I'm sorry if this has been brought out before!

[JollyElm]

Hey Mike.
I understand what you're saying, but you have to consider something. The jerseys do look somewhat similar, but they are two distinctly different teams, so it's hard to make a valid comparison.

There are a couple of things to consider when regarding green tints. The main one is that the photographs are predominantly dark and murky, blurry and/or unfocused. Just not sharp. Now look at this comp I threw together with a couple of random GT's and the Moon card:

gtcomp.jpg

The bottom row shows how the capless Moon easily fits in with the non-GT cards. It's clear and sharply focused and the colors are balanced right, just like the Sullivan and Fox. Now look at the top row. All three are too dark, out of focus and the colors are plainly bad (especially the skin tones). Look at Wally's hands compared to Haywood's face. The color balance is way off base and they are very similar to each other. And again look at the focus of the top 3 cards compared to the bottom row. There's no comparison.

On a side note, there's another aspect of the GT's that's important to note. There are areas in some of the cards where the colors are just screwed up. Card #'s 116 (Herb Score) and 151 (Johnny Klippstein) instantly come to mind. They have delineated pieces of their skin blatantly colored green/yellow. Here on the top Moon card I highlighted two areas that have similar problems. Around his neck there is a gray area that is out of place. I assume it's supposed to be dark blue like his undershirt, but it's weirdly light gray. And his sleeve has the odd light blue area that seemingly should also be dark blue. Those are trademark GT giveaways.

Take it for what it's worth, but there is no doubt in my mind that the Moon with the bat is, in fact, the green tint version.

[Rich Klein]

Moon with bat is much tougher than the other Moon and is the Green Tint version.

[HoofHearted]

Originally Posted by Rich Klein

Moon with bat is much tougher than the other Moon and is the Green Tint version.

Wouldn't it be great if we had production numbers on BB cards like coins have?? I got lucky and found the GT version a few months before I bought the no-cap version back in August of 2010.

[ALR-bishop]

Someone has 8 or 9 full sets up on eBay now in different conditions and a range of prices

[savedfrommyspokes]

Carson has been offering up these GT subsets for some years now and I finished up my "raw" GT run some years ago thanks to one of his lots.

I have about half the GT run graded(acquired before PSA recognized the non-pose variation GTs as GTs), but have not worked very hard on finishing the GT run graded as the prices have soared on the graded GTs in the past 4-5 years.

The GT run helps to make the 62 set one of my favorites.

http://www.psacard.com/psasetregistr...et.aspx?s=5481

[HoofHearted]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

Hey Mike.
I understand what you're saying, but you have to consider something. The jerseys do look somewhat similar, but they are two distinctly different teams, so it's hard to make a valid comparison.

There are a couple of things to consider when regarding green tints. The main one is that the photographs are predominantly dark and murky, blurry and/or unfocused. Just not sharp. Now look at this comp I threw together with a couple of random GT's and the Moon card:

The bottom row shows how the capless Moon easily fits in with the non-GT cards. It's clear and sharply focused and the colors are balanced right, just like the Sullivan and Fox. Now look at the top row. All three are too dark, out of focus and the colors are plainly bad (especially the skin tones). Look at Wally's hands compared to Haywood's face. The color balance is way off base and they are very similar to each other. And again look at the focus of the top 3 cards compared to the bottom row. There's no comparison.

On a side note, there's another aspect of the GT's that's important to note. There are areas in some of the cards where the colors are just screwed up. Card #'s 116 (Herb Score) and 151 (Johnny Klippstein) instantly come to mind. They have delineated pieces of their skin blatantly colored green/yellow. Here on the top Moon card I highlighted two areas that have similar problems. Around his neck there is a gray area that is out of place. I assume it's supposed to be dark blue like his undershirt, but it's weirdly light gray. And his sleeve has the odd light blue area that seemingly should also be dark blue. Those are trademark GT giveaways.

Take it for what it's worth, but there is no doubt in my mind that the Moon with the bat is, in fact, the green tint version.

Thank you, Darren. I'm totally convinced you're correct. The side-by-side comparisons help immensely determining which is which. I sure enjoyed putting the entire set together. The hunt made it exciting -- especially when I realized how the cards differed via the cropping, coloring, etc.

Best of luck getting PSA to see it your way! Maybe then I'll send my cards in for re-labeling.