Wildly Inconsistent PSA Grades

[4815162342]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Ahhh, ok. Got it. So, if I were to open a 1962 Topps wax pack and the cards were good, but the gum had deteriorated into dust, it wouldn’t be okay to wipe the gum dust from the cards if I wanted to submit them for grading? After all, that’s the “original form” as they came out of the pack. Wow, who knew?

The discussion about whether or not removing stains is altering a card should have stopped with my post #6. Ridiculous.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by 4815162342

The discussion about whether or not removing stains is altering a card should have stopped with my post #6. Ridiculous.

Your post was ridiculous. It uses the words “whitener” “solution” and “chemical process”

Tell me, is taking a nylon to remove wax from the surface of a card considered a whitener, a solution or a chemical process. I'm awaiting your answer.

[4815162342]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Your post was ridiculous. It uses the words “whitener” “solution” and “chemical process”

Tell me, is taking a nylon to remove wax from the surface of a card considered a whitener, a solution or a chemical process. I'm awaiting your answer.

Removing the stain is altering the card regardless of the process. What PSA and SGC are saying is that they can more easily detect stain removal if chemicals were involved. Whether or not you can fool the graders with your card altering skills doesn't change the fact that it's altering.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by 4815162342

Removing the stain is altering the card regardless of the process. What PSA and SGC are saying is that they can more easily detect stain removal if chemicals were involved. Whether or not you can fool the graders with your card altering skills doesn't change the fact that it's altering.

From PSA's website...

"wax stain
A stain on a card caused by the wax on the card wrapper. Wax stains on a card front can be removed, due to the coating on the card surface, while wax stains on the card reverse are permanent."

http://www.psacard.com/Resources/Lingo/W

Keep typing. I find your logic amusing.

[4815162342]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

From PSA's website...

"wax stain
A stain on a card caused by the wax on the card wrapper. Wax stains on a card front can be removed, due to the coating on the card surface, while wax stains on the card reverse are permanent."

http://www.psacard.com/Resources/Lingo/W

Keep typing. The more you do, the more foolish you look.

Thanks for calling me foolish.

You never mentioned removal of stains only being okay if on the front of the card.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by 4815162342

Thanks for calling me foolish.

You never mentioned removal of stains only being okay if on the front of the card.

No, but it was inferred when I said using a nylon to remove a wax stain. You can't remove wax stains from the back of a card with a nylon, therfore you knew what I was talking about.

Your statement was rather general, however. You said removing a wax stain was altering - no matter the front or the back.

[Peter_Spaeth]

If the argument is about whether it's OK to remove a wax stain from the front, I am as big an opponent of alteration as anyone but this doesn't bother me at all. I don't agree with Dick Towle's broader definition of what's OK at all.

[jhs5120]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

From PSA's website...

"wax stain
A stain on a card caused by the wax on the card wrapper. Wax stains on a card front can be removed, due to the coating on the card surface, while wax stains on the card reverse are permanent."

http://www.psacard.com/Resources/Lingo/W

Keep typing. I find your logic amusing.

I think everyone here knows that wax stains on the front of a card can be removed... I'm not sure what you're getting at.

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by MattyC

Baseball players get paid a lot more to go 2 for 3, and that's considered great success

Way off subject, but if a player went 2 for 3 (if referring to BA) then that would be amazing. We are just happy if they go 1 for 3, heck a career at 2 for 7 could even be HOF worthy if other stats line up.

[MattyC]

If you are collecting and not selling, why do you need some random dude to tell you what you know you have? Love the card and trust your eyes. Admire the card not a sticker.

If selling, I get it.

But as someone noted above, looks like the random, subjective opinions did get it correct at least 2 of 3 times, if not all three.

Baseball players get paid a lot more to go 2 for 3, and that's considered great success

[Fuddjcal]

probably one of the most asinine things I have read about lately...Who in their right mind would be Anal Eddie enough to crack the stupid card 3 times to get a particular grade? You know the grading is subjective, right? You know PSA plays favorites, right? you know that it's a scam right? Who gives a s***?

The fact that they can't tell you doctored the card speaks volumes about what PSA can and can't do.... BOY, I WONDER IF ANY OTHER DOCTORED CARDS made it into slabs for their best customers???This is just laughable in my opinion what card collectors are doing these days.

Me thinks you should crack your head open and submit it to a doctor...

[scooter729]

Even as an 8, you've just paid more in grading fees than the card is worth.

The last two PSA 8 sales have been $15.50 and $16.99. Here's one from a couple of days ago:
Temple PSA 8

I (somewhat) understand when people are attempting to play these games when the price jump is hundreds or thousands of dollars, but I can't see why it'd be worth it for a card like this, gum stain or no gum stain....

[turtleguy64]

Yes,the price on the PSA 8 1963 Temple has fallen in the last 6 months from an average 27.00 to that 15.00 dollar range.Due to enormous Collector Club submissions fattening up the pop. numbers.And in fact,that is happening with many other formerly low pop cards.This will continue.

[turtleguy64]

It probably was not worth it to twice crack open a graded card. Anger got the best of me.Plus,right is right and I won't accept a downgrade from an 8 to a 6 due to an effort to quickly get through a submission "because of a backup."