Super Bowl - in-depth analysis

[Runscott]

Fittingly, the Baltimore Ravens were the last team to have a shut-out going into the half. Seattle may have the best defense since that team - perhaps better. Also fittingly, Indianapolis scored the most points against them that year.

I need 28 more points for the t-shirt - two touchdowns by each team?

By the way - has anyone heard "Omaha"?

[ctownboy]

Read my post again. I said he was average against good teams.

During the regular season, Manning gets to play against a lot of bad teams and his record reflects this. Against those teams he does things the same way every time and even if they know what is coming they can't stop it because they are bad.

Against good teams, Manning does the same thing over and over again and they know what is coming and they can and do stop it. That is why he only has a .500 record in hte psot season.

In the post season, there aren't a lot of bad teams. So Manning plays against better teams and has an average record against them.

Actually, he has a below average record against them because his teams have lost games in the first round that they probably shouldn't have lost.

If Manning would ditch some of his arrogance and run a trick play or two, those good teams wouldn't just sit back and know what is coming and have the right defense called against it.

The Saints ran a couple of trick plays against the Colts in the Super Bowl and they won. The Seahawks have run a couple of trick plays and they are winning.

Manning, as usual, is doing the same things the same way over and over and look what the results have been so far. The Seahawks know what is coming, they are getting their defense ready and they are succeeding.

David

[itjclarke]

Trick plays are not the difference maker for Seattle.. they are 100% more physical and tougher than Denver (and most of the rest of the league) and that shows on every defensive snap... that along with some nice offensive execution, especially on third down and they are just beating crap out of a softer team.

I really hope Manning and Co mount some kind of comeback in the 2nd half (just to make it interesting), but I don't see it happening. Little dinky/dunky passes rack up a lot of yards against secondaries that can't tackle, but Seattle has one of the best tackling secondaries I've ever seen... and they are ALWAYS close to the ball to contest throws.

I do see your point re- Manning vs great teams and do agree he's struggled more against good teams.. most QBs do, except the Joe Montana's/Tom Brady's/etc that always seemed to elevate their play against the best.

[freakhappy]

Listen up all NFL teams, I have an announcement:

Run trick plays and you will have a great chance to win. I'm so glad this information was granted to us...now every team has a REAL chance to win...thanks ctown


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[ctownboy]

Jeff,

Absoulutely can not stand teh Red SOx (or Yankees) and I think the Patriots are a bunch of cheaters.

As far as Manning taking teams to the post season that might not have gotten there if another QB was guiding them that is a fair point. However, my point still stands.

A guy with his stats and a regular season winning percentage over 67 percent and only a .500 record in the post season can't be considered anything but average AGAINST GOOD TEAMS.

Manning was on some good teams in Indy and he lost in the first round with them. I think the same can be said for Denver last year.

Going into this game, I didn't hear anybody saying that the Broncos were lucky to be there or that they were an average team who rode a late season hot streak into the play offs. No, all I heard was that they were one of the best, if not the best, teams in the NFL.

Playing against another good team, the Broncoes sure don't look like they are a good team and Manning isn't performing like a world beater.

And, again, I LIVE in Central Indiana and am a Manning fan. I just don't let that get in the way of seeing reality.

Also, people say that Andrew Luck is another Peyton Manning. I hope not. I hope Luck learns that he CAN run the ball if he has to and that "gimmick" plays (laterals, reverses, flea flickers) are in the rule books and are legal so USE them. IF not as succesful plays then just to throw the opposing defenses off and give them something else to look at.

David

[itjclarke]

Re- Luck, I think he has a great chance to have a career that exceeds Manning's as a winner. He'll NEVER out stat Manning, but he's also 100% concerned with winning however need be... you don't see him checking out of run plays inside the 2 so he can throw yet another TD, or break records.. you see him just getting it done (ugly, pretty, checking to a run, etc). I really like Manning, and always have, but I've also never seen anyone who seems so aware of his stats.. nor have I ever seen someone throw the ball so much inside the 5 yard line, or continue to rack up passing stats into the 3rd/4th quarter of games that are basically over. More power to him (and his fantasy owners), he's great, but stats don't always equal win (see Super Bowl XIX- Montana v Marino, or Giants v Bills).

[Runscott]

I don't think Manning needs trick plays. He just needs to be able to run every now and then. That would kind of be a trick play for him. I wouldn't be surprised to see Denver do some bootlegs the second half.

[iwantitiwinit]

Second half line Denver -7.5 and o/u 24. I like Seattle plus 7.5

[MyGuyTy]

Wow!!!!!

[HRBAKER]

Can you say, BACKFIRE!

[Runscott]

I don't know, but I can say 'Up With People'. Never thought I would say that, but half-naked old tattooed white guys doing rap just doesn't do it for me.

[MyGuyTy]

EVERYTHING is going Seattle's way tonight....everything.

[MyGuyTy]

Who else was waiting for Holiday to fumble that kick return? Lol

[HRBAKER]

Originally Posted by Runscott

I don't know, but I can say 'Up With People'. Never thought I would say that, but half-naked old tattooed white guys doing rap just doesn't do it for me.

LOL and +1

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Runscott

Seattle needs a couple of game-changing plays (Harvin or Tate TD return, pick 6) because their offense never gets rolling. They get it, but Manning still gets one last chance, needing a touchdown and coming up short on the final drive.

Damn, I was wrong - Seattle got both and needed neither.

[itjclarke]

Denver is a joke.. total joke. Please pardon me, any Rocky Mtn area fans, but this is a total joke (a la 55-10 in 1990).

[HRBAKER]

Inertia man, Denver is swirling the bowl now.

Don't care who wins but would enjoy a semblance of a game.

[MyGuyTy]

Originally Posted by itjclarke

Denver is a joke.. total joke. Please pardon me, any Rocky Mtn area fans, but this is a total joke (a la 55-10 in 1990).

They're moving the ball now, but this is bringing back 55-10 memories of Denver, lol

[Runscott]

Ian, I'm really hoping San Francisco is good enough to get back to Seattle for next year's NFC Championship game (assuming Dallas chokes again). I know I said earlier I hoped it would be in S.F., but that' probably not going to happen.

I will buy the first round next year if it happens.

[Runscott]

edited to remove tmi

[MyGuyTy]

Denver looks like they're never played football before.....

[MyGuyTy]

Originally Posted by Runscott

edited to remove tmi

Luckily for you that won't happen this year! Lol

[MyGuyTy]

That was an awesome touchdown by Kearse!

[itjclarke]

Seattle is this good... Denver isn't doing the AFC much credit, but Seattle is damn good. This said from a lifelong Niner fan, who's dying knowing we'd be taking it to the Broncos right now as well.

Scott- you're on.. Btw, I'm now 0-3 in games I've attended in Seattle.. My fortune is bound to change next year!

Until further notice, the championship goes through the NFC west (includes the Cards if they ever get consistent QB play or a running game)

[Kenny Cole]

This is just painful to watch.

[HRBAKER]

The "legacy" talk will be interesting to listen to this coming week.

I'm thinking that Bob Dylan and Paul McCartney go to the same hairdresser.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by MyGuyTy

Luckily for you that won't happen this year! Lol

I learned my lesson and took care of business before kick-off.

[MyGuyTy]

Originally Posted by itjclarke

Seattle is this good... Denver isn't doing the AFC much credit, but Seattle is damn good. This said from a lifelong Niner fan, who's dying knowing we'd be taking it to the Broncos right now as well.

Scott- you're on.. Btw, I'm now 0-3 in games I've attended in Seattle.. My fortune is bound to change next year!

Until further notice, the championship goes through the NFC west (includes the Cards if they ever get consistent QB play or a running game)

That NFC West is gonna be SOLID for a while! Funny how just a few years ago the NFC West was the worst division in football, my has that changed quickly.

[MyGuyTy]

Originally Posted by Runscott

I learned my lesson and took care of business before kick-off.

Hahaha! Nice!

[itjclarke]

Originally Posted by MyGuyTy

That was an awesome touchdown by Kearse!

Some DBs can tackle, some can't. The ones who can't are a large reason Mr Peyton threw for more yards than anyone ever this year, while probably averaging fewer actual "yards in air" per throw than just about anyone.

Kearse/Baldwin are super underrated.. Those guys just make plan.

Adding- Seattle defends the pass better than any team I've ever seen, and this includes tackle/strip after the catch

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by HRBAKER

The "legacy" talk will be interesting to listen to this coming week.

Did someone die?

I think you mean 'dynasty'

Carroll is on an almost identical schedule to where Jimmy Johnson was with Dallas after four years, so it's reasonable to think they could be very good for a few more years. Wait a second, did I say NEARLY identical ?!?

Jimmy Johnson, years 2-4 with Dallas

DAL 1990 7 9 0 43.8 4th in NFC East - - - -
DAL 1991 11 5 0 68.8 2nd in NFC East 1 1 50 Lost to Detroit Lions in NFC Divisional Game.
DAL 1992 13 3 0 81.3 1st in NFC East 3 0 100 Super Bowl XXVII Champions.

Pete Carroll, years 2-4 with Seattle:

SEA 2011 7 9 0 .438 3rd in NFC West – – – –
SEA 2012 11 5 0 .688 2nd in NFC West 1 1 .500 Lost to Atlanta Falcons in NFC Divisional Game.
SEA 2013 13 3 0 .813 1st in NFC West 2 0 1.000 TBA to Denver Broncos in Super Bowl XLVIII.

[MyGuyTy]

OMG Denver actually scored! Hell just froze over

[TUM301]

we`ve seen some B A D super bowls but.................O U C H !!!!

[MyGuyTy]

Ok so it's pretty simple for Denver.......just score almost 30 points in one quarter while keeping Seattle off the board and you win.......easy, lol.

[yanks12025]

I wonder if after the game Sherman will go crazy again and claim he's the greatest QB or NFL player ever?

[itjclarke]

Originally Posted by yanks12025

I wonder if after the game Sherman will go crazy again and claim he's the greatest QB or NFL player ever?

Who cares, Seattle is a great team and just dominated a team favored to win. Whatever Sherman says or doesn't say takes nothing from this performance. That said, I think he'll be very team centric in anything he says

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by yanks12025

I wonder if after the game Sherman will go crazy again and claim he's the greatest QB or NFL player ever?

Anyone volunteer to do a Net54 interview of Brock after the game?

[HRBAKER]

Originally Posted by yanks12025

I wonder if after the game Sherman will go crazy again and claim he's the greatest QB or NFL player ever?

I will have long turned the channel by the time this game is over.

[I Only Smoke 4 the Cards]

This game is ridiculous. I would never have guessed it would be such a beat down.

[HRBAKER]

A snarky friend just sent me this:



Time to throw in one of the Bourne movies. Job well done 'Hawks!

[Runscott]

That stupid 2-point conversion cost me a t-shirt.

Next year I'll have to factor that in.

[freakhappy]

Congrats to the Seahawks and their fans! Very convincing victory and well deserved all the way around. This team will/should compete for years to come.


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[Julz24]

Originally Posted by HRBAKER

A snarky friend just sent me this:



Time to throw in one of the Bourne movies. Job well done 'Hawks!

Nice!
Congratulations Seahawks!
And who is Malcolm Smith?

[itjclarke]

Originally Posted by Julz24

And who is Malcolm Smith?

The guy that ripped my heart out (and all Niner fans) in Seattle two weeks ago by being the Derek Jeter (heads up, right place right time) of a football play.

[drmondobueno]

Thought the game was going to be close. Manning showed zero arm strength, I mean zero. There appeared to be no wind, so no excuses there. Thought at first I was just reading into all the ducks comments, but after watching Wilson zipping fastballs, I saw a quarterback in orange who threw the ball with no authority. None. You want to make a really good defensive team look even better? Throw nothing but short and slot passes with no velocity, let the backs shorten the field even further. Manning looked really weak. As far as defensive pressure, it was there, but was he knocked down, sacked? Balls were deflected, etc., but he only threw the ball deep, what, twice? A D-back dream.

Scoreboard, Seattle.

[Tom Hufford]

Glad all that foolishness is over - 11 more days until pitchers and catchers report!!

[Runscott]

Manning is very classy - he did a great interview after the game.

[itjclarke]

Originally Posted by drmondobueno

Thought the game was going to be close. Manning showed zero arm strength, I mean zero. There appeared to be no wind, so no excuses there. Thought at first I was just reading into all the ducks comments, but after watching Wilson zipping fastballs, I saw a quarterback in orange who threw the ball with no authority. None. You want to make a really good defensive team look even better? Throw nothing but short and slot passes with no velocity, let the backs shorten the field even further. Manning looked really weak. As far as defensive pressure, it was there, but was he knocked down, sacked? Balls were deflected, etc., but he only threw the ball deep, what, twice? A D-back dream.

Scoreboard, Seattle.

Originally Posted by itjclarke

... I think a huge key will be how Seattle DBs d-up on Denver's receivers. Those DBs are absolute beasts! If they can take away some of the quick throws by holding guys up at the line, knocking them off routes, it could throw the old man out of rhythm, and Seattle's front four will "get pressure" by default (not that they won't be already). One of the most impressive guys I've seen is that Kam Chancellor. As SS he absolutely takes any tight end out of the game, and is a pure beast in run support...

Peyton also throws a lot of lofty wobblers. I think arm strength is one of the most overrated things in scouting QBs, and when you throw early/on time, you can get away with floaters... but in this case- with possible bad weather, and DBs that ALWAYS seem to be right there to contest the throw, throwing tight lasers is a premium.

I'm not usually one to quote myself, but Peyton's total lack of velocity absolutely comes into play when you're playing a ball hawking secondary that is always close to the receiver. Kaepernick throws the ball harder possibly than any QB ever clocked and his completions v the Seahawks need that juice. When Marino threw for 5000, he was constantly pushing the ball down field to the Marks Bros... Peyton's 5000 probably involved about half that or less in actual yardage thrown... and that stuff doesn't work to well when you face a secondary that doesn't miss tackles.

[kcohen]

My in-depth analysis? Seattle by 35.

[familytoad]

My earlier points came true:

Defense wins Championships.

Manning isn't effective when under pressure...although he wasn't sacked he was hurried on a bunch of important downs...notice that the Defense allowed those weak 4 yd passes all day long and for some reason that seemed to make the Broncos happy

A perfectly executed win by Seattle without a huge statistical game from the 'Hawks...

Yep...we got this one!!