Super Bowl - in-depth analysis

[ctownboy]

Living in Central Indiana and having watched Peyton Manning since his rookie year, I say he is a great QB against bad teams and only an average QB against good teams. This is because he is stuck in his routine and doesn't like to deviate.

In the rookie year of one of his receivers (Dallas Clark ?) the receiver made a reception and was about to get tackled. As he was getting tackled, he lateraled the ball to another receiver who ran the ball in for a TD. In the post game interview, the receiver was asked about the play and said he was excited about it BUT was told by Manning that that was never going to happen again. Guess what? There was never a lateral again.

Against bad teams, Manning can do things even when the defense knows what is coming. Against good teams, Manning struggles because THEY KNOW what is coming and can be ready for it.

In the second Super Bowl he played in, the Colts were behind late in the game and Manning had them on the move. However, becaue he stuck to what he usually does, Manning threw and interception and the game was pretty much over with.

After the game, the DB who intercepted the ball was asked about the play and he said that in that area of the field, the defense KNEW what plays Manning like to use and what receivers he liked to target. So for him to get the interception, all he had to do was use the proper technique and to not drop the ball when it came his way.

As far as Seattle and their QB goes, I think Wilson is just a caretaker. Something like Joe Flacco a few years ago. Just hand the ball off to Lynch, make the short, safe throws and rely on the defense to take care of business. If WIlson has to make plays and throw the ball a lot, the Seahawks are in trouble.

As far as "Omaha" goes, I think all it means is the play is set and to hike the ball on the snap count. In previous games, if Manning didn't say "Omaha" then it meant he was still changing things around. However, once he said "Omaha" then the ball was ALWAYS snapped.

As far as THIS game goes, the only prediction I am going to make is that if either QB is behind and has to make a game winning drive then I don't think they do it. Manning because he will stick to his regular routine and the Seattle defense will KNOW what is coming, depending on down and distance and where on the field they are. With Wilson, I think he will get the yips if it comes down to him having to throw the ball and not have Lynch doing the work.

David

[yanks12025]

Originally Posted by ctownboy

Living in Central Indiana and having watched Peyton Manning since his rookie year, I say he is a great QB against bad teams and only an average QB against good teams. This is because he is stuck in his routine and doesn't like to deviate.

In the rookie year of one of his receivers (Dallas Clark ?) the receiver made a reception and was about to get tackled. As he was getting tackled, he lateraled the ball to another receiver who ran the ball in for a TD. In the post game interview, the receiver was asked about the play and said he was excited about it BUT was told by Manning that that was never going to happen again. Guess what? There was never a lateral again.

Against bad teams, Manning can do things even when the defense knows what is coming. Against good teams, Manning struggles because THEY KNOW what is coming and can be ready for it.

In the second Super Bowl he played in, the Colts were behind late in the game and Manning had them on the move. However, becaue he stuck to what he usually does, Manning threw and interception and the game was pretty much over with.

After the game, the DB who intercepted the ball was asked about the play and he said that in that area of the field, the defense KNEW what plays Manning like to use and what receivers he liked to target. So for him to get the interception, all he had to do was use the proper technique and to not drop the ball when it came his way.

As far as Seattle and their QB goes, I think Wilson is just a caretaker. Something like Joe Flacco a few years ago. Just hand the ball off to Lynch, make the short, safe throws and rely on the defense to take care of business. If WIlson has to make plays and throw the ball a lot, the Seahawks are in trouble.

As far as "Omaha" goes, I think all it means is the play is set and to hike the ball on the snap count. In previous games, if Manning didn't say "Omaha" then it meant he was still changing things around. However, once he said "Omaha" then the ball was ALWAYS snapped.

As far as THIS game goes, the only prediction I am going to make is that if either QB is behind and has to make a game winning drive then I don't think they do it. Manning because he will stick to his regular routine and the Seattle defense will KNOW what is coming, depending on down and distance and where on the field they are. With Wilson, I think he will get the yips if it comes down to him having to throw the ball and not have Lynch doing the work.

David

I had to stop reading after you said he's average against good teams. Haha

[ctownboy]

Sorry to burst your bubble but it is the truth.

Again, living in Central Indiana, it was teh same story year after year. Manning and the Colts would have a great regular season record and put up a lot of points. The fans and the media would have high hopes going into the post season. Then the Colts would lose in the first round or get upset by a worse team and the excuses would be made as everybody got ready for the next season.

What is Manning's regular season record and winning percentage? What is his record and winning percentage in the post season?

I like Manning but I am sorry. His performances and his teams' performances in the post season say he is just an average QB against good teams.

Worse QB's with worse stats have done better than Manning in the psot season. For a guy who is so smart, who puts up such great stats and who has a great regular season winning percentage, when you consistently under perform and fail in the post season then you can't continue to say it is just bad luck.

David

[Runscott]

Well, I sure hope Brock is right - if Denver doesn't start doing their share of scoring, I'll never hit my point total

[HRBAKER]

Starting to wonder if there's any reason to watch the second half.

[Paul S]

There goes all the in-depth analysis.

[MyGuyTy]

22-0!!! Beautiful!! Keep it going boys! Don't take your foot off the gas!

[ctownboy]

Brock,

A blog called the Forarm Shiver had these stats as of January 7, 2014.

Regular season against the AFC, Manning's teams are 133 - 63. That is a .679 winning percentage.

Regular season against NFC teams, Manning's teams are 43 - 21. That is a .672 winning percentage.

Post season, Manning's teams are 9 - 11. That is a .450 winning percentage.

Again, for a guy who is so smart and who has put up such outrageous numbers on offense, having, at best, a .500 winning percentage in the post season and getting dumped in the first round on more than one occasion means that Manning is no more than an average QB against good teams.

Part of the reason for this, imho, is because Manning is stuborn.

No matter what the down, distance or place on the field he is, Manning thinks doing things his way is the right way. This works against bad teams but not against good teams.

Manning thinks that laterals, reverses and flea flickers (gimmick plays) though legal are beneath him. That is why his teams hardly EVER run those plays. Whereas opposing teams have no problem using thiose plays against Manning's teams.

However, it is those EXACT plays that need to be called sometimes to get GOOD teams out of their mindset against him. Yet Manning wont call those plays and he loses because of it.

David

[yanks12025]

Originally Posted by ctownboy

Brock,

A blog called the Forarm Shiver had these stats as of January 7, 2014.

Regular season against the AFC, Manning's teams are 133 - 63. That is a .679 winning percentage.

Regular season against NFC teams, Manning's teams are 43 - 21. That is a .672 winning percentage.

Post season, Manning's teams are 9 - 11. That is a .450 winning percentage.

Again, for a guy who is so smart and who has put up such outrageous numbers on offense, having, at best, a .500 winning percentage in the post season and getting dumped in the first round on more than one occasion means that Manning is no more than an average QB against good teams.

Part of the reason for this, imho, is because Manning is stuborn.

No matter what the down, distance or place on the field he is, Manning thinks doing things his way is the right way. This works against bad teams but not against good teams.

Manning thinks that laterals, reverses and flea flickers (gimmick plays) though legal are beneath him. That is why his teams hardly EVER run those plays. Whereas opposing teams have no problem using thiose plays against Manning's teams.

However, it is those EXACT plays that need to be called sometimes to get GOOD teams out of their mindset against him. Yet Manning wont call those plays and he loses because of it.



David

Sorry I can't take anything you say serious when you say peyton is just average.

[HRBAKER]

David,

I think the real issue is he may think you're a closet Red Sox fan.

At worst he's picked the worst of times to have some of his most average performances.
Several of those teams he was on may not have made it to the PS were it not for him.

[ctownboy]

Read my post again. I said he was average against good teams.

During the regular season, Manning gets to play against a lot of bad teams and his record reflects this. Against those teams he does things the same way every time and even if they know what is coming they can't stop it because they are bad.

Against good teams, Manning does the same thing over and over again and they know what is coming and they can and do stop it. That is why he only has a .500 record in hte psot season.

In the post season, there aren't a lot of bad teams. So Manning plays against better teams and has an average record against them.

Actually, he has a below average record against them because his teams have lost games in the first round that they probably shouldn't have lost.

If Manning would ditch some of his arrogance and run a trick play or two, those good teams wouldn't just sit back and know what is coming and have the right defense called against it.

The Saints ran a couple of trick plays against the Colts in the Super Bowl and they won. The Seahawks have run a couple of trick plays and they are winning.

Manning, as usual, is doing the same things the same way over and over and look what the results have been so far. The Seahawks know what is coming, they are getting their defense ready and they are succeeding.

David

[MyGuyTy]

Couldn't have asked for a better 1st half if you're Seattle. Complete domination. And the ball to start the 2nd half........wow

[EvilKing00]

Shocked just shocked