Gilbert and Bacon cards

[Joe_G.]

Originally Posted by TNcollect

Thanks Joe, so you think it is of the period?

I took oldjudge's comment to mean a modern item. Are you familiar with the "vermont find" referred to in the earlier posting?

Scott

It does have the appearance of being a more modern print, but the original negative this is based on dates to 1888 or earlier. As you likely know, Mathews retired before the start of the 1888 season, but I suspect he was with the team for their 1888 photo shoot in the spring of 1888.

[TNcollect]

So you have seen this view before? I thought from earlier posts that it may be an "unknown photo".

Any info on vermont find?

Thanks again.

Scott

[Joe_G.]

Originally Posted by TNcollect

So you have seen this view before? I thought from earlier posts that it may be an "unknown photo".

Any info on vermont find?

Thanks again.

Scott

The Vermont find included original glass plate negatives that were used by Goodwin & Co. together with more modern prints (the prints/photos believed to be post 1900, but made from the original circa 1888 negatives). Some of the Vermont find photos were created from negatives that are still with us today while others were created from negatives that have been long lost to time. I do not know if your photo came from this find but it is certainly possible. Your pose of Mathews is new to me.

[oldjudge]

Joe--I have seen other "unissued" Mathews images from the Vermont find. I don't remember if this was one of the ones I saw, but I would think it is a likely source.

[barrysloate]

Hey Scott- when I first saw your scanned image I assumed you cropped the photo portion from a Gilbert and Bacon cabinet. It didn't cross my mind that it was not an original G & B. As such, I agree it is not a period photo. Sorry I didn't realize that.

[kkkkandp]

Here's a Gilbert & Bacon cabinet that was the source of one of Gus Weyhing's Old Judge cards...

[aaroncc]

Looks like they used Gilbert & Bacon on the mounts after Gilbert retired in 1886. Some info on this site: http://broadway.cas.sc.edu/content/s...bert-and-bacon

I have had a few G & B boxing cabinets and was able to estimate the date on one in particular of Arthur Chambers. Based on the photo of his left hand. His middle finger was amputated in 1877. As well as the studio addresses etc...

[TNcollect]

Originally Posted by Joe_G.

The Vermont find included original glass plate negatives that were used by Goodwin & Co. together with more modern prints (the prints/photos believed to be post 1900, but made from the original circa 1888 negatives). Some of the Vermont find photos were created from negatives that are still with us today while others were created from negatives that have been long lost to time. I do not know if your photo came from this find but it is certainly possible. Your pose of Mathews is new to me.

Thanks Joe and others. Were there any tintypes in the Vermont group?

This image is a tintype not a paper print.

I am a photo collector and would expect it to be a mirror image as is typically encountered with tintypes. However, some photographers used a reversing prism or mirror to get a "correct view"-- which would have been more important with lettering.

The possibility also exists that one of the Vermont negatives was printed reverse and then copied with the tintype process. In my experience copy images are rarely anywhere remotely as clear and crisp as the original and I wouldn't expect to see the bat details if it were done this way.

Thanks again for all of the input and any other thoughts, ideas or suggestions.

Scott

[TNcollect]

Any thoughts or ideas since the photograph is a tintype?

Also, does anyone know a source to see the other Mathews photographs that show him batting?

Thanks.

Scott

[z28jd]

Originally Posted by Joe_G.

It does have the appearance of being a more modern print, but the original negative this is based on dates to 1888 or earlier. As you likely know, Mathews retired before the start of the 1888 season, but I suspect he was with the team for their 1888 photo shoot in the spring of 1888.

Mathews was with the Athletics during the 1888 season as a coach and even played exhibition games prior to and during the season

[TNcollect]

Thanks z28jd-- the information is appreciated.

Do you have any information on views of Mathews that show him batting?

Thanks again.

Scott