You Guys See This E.Manning/NYG Fraud Story?

MattyC · #1 01-30-2014, 04:19 PM

Just to clarify, the allegation is not that Eli wanted to make fakes for sale/profit, but that he wanted to keep the originals for his own personal collection.

Runscott · #2 01-30-2014, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by MattyC

Just to clarify, the allegation is not that Eli wanted to make fakes for sale/profit, but that he wanted to keep the originals for his own personal collection.

If someone talked him into making fakes, regardless of his personal motivation to do so, that's real close to "wanting to make fakes for sale/profit". For legal purposes, it's probably the same.

sportzjunky · #3 01-31-2014, 05:21 AM

FBI Press release "Operation Team player"...
seems its an NFL issue just as much as NY & Eli.

http://www.ice.gov/news/releases/1401/140130newyork.htm

Rich Klein · #4 01-31-2014, 06:15 AM

The follow up in the Post today was just as interesting

http://nypost.com/2014/01/31/collect...2520Newsletter

Read the last sentence carefully

Tabe · #5 01-31-2014, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by sportzjunky

FBI Press release "Operation Team player"...
seems its an NFL issue just as much as NY & Eli.

http://www.ice.gov/news/releases/1401/140130newyork.htm

That's the annual "the NFL and FBI bust fake jersey sellers the week of the Super Bowl" story. Happens every single year and nothing ever changes. One visit to Ebay and a search for any star player will show you that 95% of the merchandise out there is fake. Heck, a few years ago I got a Christmas catalog from Ebay touting the low prices of various items - and it featured a fake NFL jersey right on the cover. The story in question isn't related to fake game-used memorabilia but fake merchandise for fans and the like. It's the $39 "authentic" jerseys from China.

bn2cardz · #6 01-31-2014, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Big Six

Will be interesting to see the fallout if this is true, especially for Steiner! Sounds like the kind of stuff that could put them out of business overnight...

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It doesn't have to be true, the story just has to get enough traction prior to being proven false for there to be a huge fallout on Steiner.

Blitzu · #7 02-01-2014, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Tabe

That's the annual "the NFL and FBI bust fake jersey sellers the week of the Super Bowl" story. Happens every single year and nothing ever changes. One visit to Ebay and a search for any star player will show you that 95% of the merchandise out there is fake. Heck, a few years ago I got a Christmas catalog from Ebay touting the low prices of various items - and it featured a fake NFL jersey right on the cover. The story in question isn't related to fake game-used memorabilia but fake merchandise for fans and the like. It's the $39 "authentic" jerseys from China.

Not FBI- HSI, homeland security investigations. We're a completely different agency with border search authority. I worked at the O'Hare mail unit during the last Super Bowl picking off *thousands* of fake jerseys that could easily be sold off as authentic jerseys from China.

They come in year round but always pick up right before certain major events.

Tabe · #8 02-02-2014, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Blitzu

Not FBI- HSI, homeland security investigations. We're a completely different agency with border search authority. I worked at the O'Hare mail unit during the last Super Bowl picking off *thousands* of fake jerseys that could easily be sold off as authentic jerseys from China.

They come in year round but always pick up right before certain major events.

Apologies for the confusion but... same idea

. There's one of these big counterfeit busts every single year at the Super Bowl.

I Only Smoke 4 the Cards · #9 02-02-2014, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Blitzu

Not FBI- HSI, homeland security investigations. We're a completely different agency with border search authority. I worked at the O'Hare mail unit during the last Super Bowl picking off *thousands* of fake jerseys that could easily be sold off as authentic jerseys from China.

They come in year round but always pick up right before certain major events.

I have never heard of anyone in the Homeland Security field refer to it as HSI.

doug.goodman · #10 01-31-2014, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by MattyC

Just to clarify, the allegation is not that Eli wanted to make fakes for sale/profit, but that he wanted to keep the originals for his own personal collection.

Sounds like the same thing to me.

Doug

drcy · #11 01-31-2014, 04:04 PM

,,,

Deertick · #12 02-01-2014, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by MattyC

Just to clarify, the allegation is not that Eli wanted to make fakes for sale/profit, but that he wanted to keep the originals for his own personal collection.

That is Deadspin's take. If you read the document, it is pretty clear that they were used to fulfill contractual obligations to Steiner. Maybe not all, but at least several specific items were mentioned.

Runscott · #13 02-01-2014, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Deertick

That is Deadspin's take. If you read the document, it is pretty clear that they were used to fulfill contractual obligations to Steiner. Maybe not all, but at least several specific items were mentioned.

Have there been any documented examples of a player keeping items and then later deciding to sell some of them, and the 'fakes' then coming back to haunt everyone? This just doesn't make sense for Eli to do.

Go Hawks.

#14 02-01-2014, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Runscott

Have there been any documented examples of a player keeping items and then later deciding to sell some of them, and the 'fakes' then coming back to haunt everyone? This just doesn't make sense for Eli to do.

Go Hawks.

While not a purposeful attempt to defraud, I always found this story about the baseball bat Roberto Clemente used on his 3,000th hit to be interesting. Three different bats?

http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/page...o-clemente-bat

Go Hawks!

Runscott · #15 02-01-2014, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by pariah1107

While not a purposeful attempt to defraud, I always found this story about the baseball bat Roberto Clemente used on his 3,000th hit to be interesting. Three different bats?

http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/page...o-clemente-bat

Go Hawks!

Ty, that was a great read - thanks for posting!

I remember when a Nap Rucker no-hitter ball came up for auction. I went through some really weird scenarios in my head, as to how it could be an incorrect ball. In the end, I didn't bid, and the provenance was as good as you could possibly hope for. Lots of weird stuff happens.

Go Hawks

WhenItWasAHobby · #16 02-02-2014, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Runscott

Have there been any documented examples of a player keeping items and then later deciding to sell some of them, and the 'fakes' then coming back to haunt everyone? This just doesn't make sense for Eli to do.

One possible explanation is that players have been known to wear several jerseys during the same game so that they can sell multiples of that item "game used".

prestigecollectibles · #17 02-02-2014, 09:17 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YFtIeIIHcE

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