Gilbert and Bacon cards

[aaroncc]

Gilbert & Bacon reached a partnership in 1875. Gilbert retired in 1886 so there is your range C. 1875-1886.

[TNcollect]

Originally Posted by aaroncc

Gilbert & Bacon reached a partnership in 1875. Gilbert retired in 1886 so there is your range C. 1875-1886.

Thanks-- this image is NOT marked by Gilbert & Bacon.

The backdrop is the SAME as used by Gilbert & Bacon on their cabinet cards (1887/ 1888).

Scott

[oldjudge]

Looks like something from the Vermont find. My guess is that it is not period.

[TNcollect]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

Looks like something from the Vermont find. My guess is that it is not period.

Thank you very much oldjudge-- I am not familiar with the "Vermont find" and would appreciate whatever information you can share on it.

Scott

[andybecker]

Originally Posted by aaroncc

Gilbert & Bacon reached a partnership in 1875. Gilbert retired in 1886 so there is your range C. 1875-1886.

is it possible gilbert and bacon produced items later than 86? i have a football cabinet that would shock me if it was pre-90.....actually i thought it was mid 90's. i could be wrong.....i'll scan it if anyone wants a look.....

[Joe_G.]

Yes, the Gilbert & Bacon studio was in business well beyond 1886, operating at several different addresses which can help you zero in on a date.

As for the image of Mathews in this thread, it is interesting that he is wearing a different belt and posed in front of a different back drop than found on his 1888 Old Judge cards. So it is likely a different photo-shoot that may or may not be from 1888 although I do believe the original photo could be from Gilbert & Bacon. The same, or similar bat was used by teammates that were photographed in 1888 (same "Louisville KY" inscription). I suspect this particular negative was never sent to Goodwin & Co. for possible use in making his cards (based on it being a separate photo shoot).

[TNcollect]

Thanks Joe, so you think it is of the period?

I took oldjudge's comment to mean a modern item. Are you familiar with the "vermont find" referred to in the earlier posting?

Scott

[Joe_G.]

Originally Posted by TNcollect

Thanks Joe, so you think it is of the period?

I took oldjudge's comment to mean a modern item. Are you familiar with the "vermont find" referred to in the earlier posting?

Scott

It does have the appearance of being a more modern print, but the original negative this is based on dates to 1888 or earlier. As you likely know, Mathews retired before the start of the 1888 season, but I suspect he was with the team for their 1888 photo shoot in the spring of 1888.

[TNcollect]

So you have seen this view before? I thought from earlier posts that it may be an "unknown photo".

Any info on vermont find?

Thanks again.

Scott

[Joe_G.]

Originally Posted by TNcollect

So you have seen this view before? I thought from earlier posts that it may be an "unknown photo".

Any info on vermont find?

Thanks again.

Scott

The Vermont find included original glass plate negatives that were used by Goodwin & Co. together with more modern prints (the prints/photos believed to be post 1900, but made from the original circa 1888 negatives). Some of the Vermont find photos were created from negatives that are still with us today while others were created from negatives that have been long lost to time. I do not know if your photo came from this find but it is certainly possible. Your pose of Mathews is new to me.

[z28jd]

Originally Posted by Joe_G.

It does have the appearance of being a more modern print, but the original negative this is based on dates to 1888 or earlier. As you likely know, Mathews retired before the start of the 1888 season, but I suspect he was with the team for their 1888 photo shoot in the spring of 1888.

Mathews was with the Athletics during the 1888 season as a coach and even played exhibition games prior to and during the season

[TNcollect]

Thanks z28jd-- the information is appreciated.

Do you have any information on views of Mathews that show him batting?

Thanks again.

Scott