New Old Judge discovery

[Leon]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

what's a window seat?

It's a window with a large area at the foot of it so someone could sit there...like a very large window sill. We have several in our house, next to large windows.

Great cards, great discovery and reported by a passionate collector.

[DixieBaseball]

In the video, Keith showed evidence of a Greenwood & Morans card with Gypsy Queen advertisement along the bottom of the card which was very similar to the Gypsy Queen cards (The ad on GQ cards is on top). Then looking at the 2 newly discovered G & M Minor league cards, they looked just like the GQ Greenwood & Moran card, except they didn't have the GQ advertisement at the bottom of the card. It is reasonable to think these 3 cards are the same, but not so sure about saying the two newly discovered came out of a GQ pack and/or especially an OJ pack. It sounds plausible to think they were some type of supplement for the Oakland area and were a part of GQ, but the distribution is a mystery. Perhaps they were simply handed out in the area?

[the 'stache]

It's pretty amazing that any of these regional issues managed to survive after the great earthquake and fire.

[autograf]

I'm assuming the album was the album sold by SCP that a board member picked up? Or did Olbermann get a different album. The two new prospects look like they've had the Gypsy Queen tagline cut from the bottom. The Donovan that showed up originally sold in a Lipset auction I think for just South of 100K a few years back. Neat, neat stuff.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by autograf

I'm assuming the album was the album sold by SCP that a board member picked up? Or did Olbermann get a different album. The two new prospects look like they've had the Gypsy Queen tagline cut from the bottom. The Donovan that showed up originally sold in a Lipset auction I think for just South of 100K a few years back. Neat, neat stuff.

Actually, I think Barry S sold it in one of his auctions and it brought around 81k? (still a ton of money)......and the consignor, who is a good friend, was very happy.

[DixieBaseball]

Originally Posted by autograf

I'm assuming the album was the album sold by SCP that a board member picked up? Or did Olbermann get a different album. The two new prospects look like they've had the Gypsy Queen tagline cut from the bottom. The Donovan that showed up originally sold in a Lipset auction I think for just South of 100K a few years back. Neat, neat stuff.

Tom - Good catch! I went back and looked at the video again, and I believe you are correct. They look cut at the bottom and it seems very safe to assume these 2 looked like the other Greenwood & Moran GQ. Very nice piece that Keith and crew put together. I love dormant cards that are unearthed.

[ullmandds]

I have to disagree with you guys...I do not believe the 2 newly discovered cards had gypsy queen cut from the bottom. I base this on a few factors:

1-the size of the 3 cards are pretty close...in order for the 2 newer ones to have had gypsy queen cut from the bottom they'd have been a bit longer.

2- the cut on the bottom of the newly discovered cards looks original

3-the quality of the photos is slightly different

4-in conclusion esp based on the fact that these were local/minor league players they may have been created by a factory worker for his/her own personal use based on some pics that were available and didn't necessarily ever have any advertisement on them.

Just my thoughts.

[ullmandds]

After further review...who knows!!!!!

[oldjudge]

Wow--so much misinformation. First, these, if anything, are Gypsy Queens, NOT Old Judges. Old Judges came in Old Judge cigarette packs, Gypsy Queens came in Gypsy Queen cigarette packs. Second, the two new trimmed cards were not scanned next to an existing McDonald Gypsy Queen. The McDonald is an image of the card, not the actual card. My guess is that they are all the same size.
Third, the McDonald sold in Barry Sloate auction for about $80,000. The card was originally found by David Bryan on Ebay. The auction took place in the late-1990s I believe.
The only problem with the cards is that there is no identification of the manufacturer. The most likely scenario, as I note above, is that they are the same Gypsy Queen set as the McDonald. However, I guess they could be from another set, or they could be unissued printers scrap--who knows.
BTW, the McDonald image posted above is not the full image. Our book has the complete image.