Cardcollectorguru on our board....

[yankeeno7]

I emailed Jose. He did not respond to my first email but then did respond to my second. He told me that he did not have my address to mail. This was confusing as he had mailed to me twice before. Maybe he can not look at his old PMs here?

Anyway, I am expecting that he mails me my items OR a refund.

I will update on the results.

[bobbyw8469]

if you lay down with fleas, guess what... If the deal seems too good to be true, guess what... I'm glad the rotten egg got banned, but sometimes the "buyer" in these instances need to use some common sense and listen to their "gut". Alot of times, that gut feeling is right!

[EvilKing00]

Originally Posted by jgmp123

Hey Clayton,

If you google him, you'll find that he is an officer and was at one point named "officer of the year" as ironic as that is...

I would deff report him to his own precinct

[HOFAUTOS]

Had a strange feeling about him when I PM'ed him to buy a few items. Glad I didn't follow through with the purchase.

[HRBAKER]

Why would anyone pay any newbie with Paypal Gift?

[Sean]

Originally Posted by HRBAKER

Why would anyone pay any newbie with Paypal Gift?

+1

[I Only Smoke 4 the Cards]

Originally Posted by EvilKing00

I would deff report him to his own precinct

That is great advice. Ask to talk to someone in internal affairs or professional review board.

[jgmp123]

Originally Posted by chaddurbin

i had to keep at him for about 2 weeks to get my refund, basically texting/calling and even telling him to send the refund with tracking...but in the end i did get it. don't know if it had any effect, but this was before his issues blew up on the board and he was banned.

i don't agree with the waiting period for new people selling. it's hard to monitor who could be a potential scammer, but we could make it harder like not allowing new people to accept check/mo/pp gift only. regular paypal is still safe against most types of online scammers.

Originally Posted by HRBAKER

Why would anyone pay any newbie with Paypal Gift?

He wasn't a "newbie". He's been here for well over a year.

[yankeeno7]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

if you lay down with fleas, guess what... If the deal seems too good to be true, guess what... I'm glad the rotten egg got banned, but sometimes the "buyer" in these instances need to use some common sense and listen to their "gut". Alot of times, that gut feeling is right!

Bobbyw throwing out some barbs because he thinks he can get a bit even with me.

Difference between you and me, Bobby, you dont see me making multiple threads about whining and whining and whining about every little thing.

I had two previous transactions with Jose that went quickly and went well. There was no initial sign of something bad happening. As the previous poster said, he was here for over a year.

Personally, I did not pay with PP gift. I sent a check that he cashed so I have a paper trail AND an instrument.

I dont think he is out to screw anyone, just as it was said, he is passive and lazy.


Bar.ry Jo.ck

[Sean1125]

I respectfully disagree, Barry. This individual was specifically out to screw people. It is an advanced scam.




I can add this:

If anyone ever wants free escrow I am happy to help, just drop me a line. I used to buy and sell online gaming accounts and offered this in a much more difficult to deal in market where about 3/4 of the transactions that occurred were people trying to scam others.

[ATP]

In my opinion I agree with Sean 100 percent on the advanced scam. He attempted to sell a few high dollar items as well that someone could have been stuck holding the bag on, not just $20 Walter Payton's.

[Rob D.]

Originally Posted by HRBAKER

Why would anyone pay any newbie with Paypal Gift?

Stickin' it to the man, Jeff. Stickin' it to the man.

[bobbyw8469]

I wasn't attempting to throw barbs at anyone. I was just making a statement, that every collector should follow. If the deal seems too good to be true, it usually is.

[andybecker]

I have no idea who Jose is, but if he is really an active officer of the law, I would call the chief of police where he works. fraud is fraud and he would be up a creek. me thinks.

[kcohen]

Originally Posted by HRBAKER

Why would anyone pay any newbie with Paypal Gift?

I find amusing those who mount their high horses to call out a purported scammer, yet have no compunction regarding the use of Paypal gift payment to scam THEM out of THEIR fees. Hypocrisy much?

[Rob D.]

Originally Posted by kcohen

I find amusing those who mount their high horses to call out a purported scammer, yet have no compunction regarding the use of Paypal gift payment to scam THEM out of THEIR fees. Hypocrisy much?

Apples and oranges, Ken. You see, eBay/PayPal deserve it because all they care about is money and not creating a marketplace where people can sell their baseball cards for relatively little cost. Bastards.

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by kcohen

I find amusing those who mount their high horses to call out a purported scammer, yet have no compunction regarding the use of Paypal gift payment to scam THEM out of THEIR fees. Hypocrisy much?

There is no such thing as "paypal gift" anymore. Now there are only two options.
1)I'm paying for goods or services

or

2)I'm sending money to family or friends

A lot of people on here can consider purchases both. They see other Net54 members as friends, yet they are purchasing goods. It really comes down to how much help do you want from papal. If you say it is to a friend or family Net54 assumes they will not need to step in to help, if it is for goods or services the fee is there to have them act as a mediator when needed. So if you really don't know the person you are sending the money to and you put it as friend you are taking a risk that is now on you. This has nothing to do with scamming paypal.

[kcohen]

Originally Posted by bn2cardz

There is no such thing as "paypal gift" anymore. Now there are only two options.
1)I'm paying for goods or services

or

2)I'm sending money to family or friends

A lot of people on here can consider purchases both. They see other Net54 members as friends, yet they are purchasing goods. It really comes down to how much help do you want from papal. If you say it is to a friend or family Net54 assumes they will not need to step in to help, if it is for goods or services the fee is there to have them act as a mediator when needed. So if you really don't know the person you are sending the money to and you put it as friend you are taking a risk that is now on you. This has nothing to do with scamming paypal.

If that rationalization floats your boat, go with it.

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by kcohen

If that rationalization floats your boat, go with it.

Haha! It isn't just a "rationalization", it is the truth.

[ValKehl]

Ken, I completely agree with you. A PayPal payer is either purchasing something, or he/she isn't - it's NOT a gray area.
Val

[Rob D.]

Originally Posted by ValKehl

Ken, I completely agree with you. A PayPal payer is either purchasing something, or he/she isn't - it's NOT a gray area.
Val

Many people agree with Ken (and you, Val).

One only has to do a simple search of the Net54 archives and read posts that say "eBay makes too much money as it is" or "eBay forces me to use PayPal" to realize that foregoing buyer protection usually has nothing to do with using the "gift" option when making a purchase and everything to do with cheating PayPal out of the fees it charges for providing a service that the buyer and seller choose to use.

[ValKehl]

Hi Rob,
I admit that one of my pet peeves is sellers who request payment only via PayPal "gift" (which I gather is now PayPal "friends"). This is very similar to my pet peeve re folks who boast about cheating on their income taxes, especially those who act like I'm some kind of idiot if I happen to mention that I don't go down that road.
Val

[slidekellyslide]

I would think that using paypal gift or friends all the time would be a huge red flag for the IRS. I know that most people here using it just don't want paypal to cut into their profit on a sale, but I think the IRS looking at it would see a lot of money moving around between "friends".

[Sean1125]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

I would think that using paypal gift or friends all the time would be a huge red flag for the IRS. I know that most people here using it just don't want paypal to cut into their profit on a sale, but I think the IRS looking at it would see a lot of money moving around between "friends".

IRS does not look at it unless you receive $20k or more than 1k transactions in a given calender year. Those 20k in transactions have to be REGULAR paypal as well.

[tribefan]

It would seem that some sellers want to remain below a certain threshold with regular Paypal, and request gift or friends and family payment. If that is the case, maybe they would offer a discounted price?

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by Sean1125

IRS does not look at it unless you receive $20k or more than 1k transactions in a given calender year. Those 20k in transactions have to be REGULAR paypal as well.

I know...I blow by that in a month and a half.

[CW]

Originally Posted by kcohen

I find amusing those who mount their high horses to call out a purported scammer, yet have no compunction regarding the use of Paypal gift payment to scam THEM out of THEIR fees. Hypocrisy much?

I find amusing those who mount their high horses to call out collectors who request paypal gift for payment, labelling them scammers, yet have no compunction regarding going directly against Paypal's user agreement by charging an extra fee to buyers who wish to use Paypal.

For full disclosure, I've done the same as you -- I just don't go around on my high horse flinging the old hypocrisy label onto others like I'm a little angel.

Originally Posted by kcohen

Nice card. Ultra rare Piedmont Back

Asking $995 dlvd. Regular paypal add $25.

Can contact me at [removed]

Thanks for looking.

K.en C.ohen

4.6 No Surcharges. You agree that you will not impose a surcharge or any other fee for accepting PayPal as a payment method. You may charge a handling fee in connection with the sale of goods or services as long as the handling fee does not operate as a surcharge and is not higher than the handling fee you charge for non-PayPal transactions.

https://www.paypal.com/us/webapps/mp...reement-full#4

[thenavarro]

Originally Posted by CW

I find amusing those who mount their high horses to call out collectors who request paypal gift for payment, labelling them scammers, yet have no compunction regarding going directly against Paypal's user agreement by charging an extra fee to buyers who wish to use Paypal.

For full disclosure, I've done the same as you -- I just don't go around on my high horse flinging the old hypocrisy label onto others like I'm a little angel.



4.6 No Surcharges. You agree that you will not impose a surcharge or any other fee for accepting PayPal as a payment method. You may charge a handling fee in connection with the sale of goods or services as long as the handling fee does not operate as a surcharge and is not higher than the handling fee you charge for non-PayPal transactions.

https://www.paypal.com/us/webapps/mp...reement-full#4

Lol

[GoldenAge50s]

Originally Posted by cw

i find amusing those who mount their high horses to call out collectors who request paypal gift for payment, labelling them scammers, yet have no compunction regarding going directly against paypal's user agreement by charging an extra fee to buyers who wish to use paypal.

For full disclosure, i've done the same as you -- i just don't go around on my high horse flinging the old hypocrisy label onto others like i'm a little angel.



4.6 no surcharges. You agree that you will not impose a surcharge or any other fee for accepting paypal as a payment method. You may charge a handling fee in connection with the sale of goods or services as long as the handling fee does not operate as a surcharge and is not higher than the handling fee you charge for non-paypal transactions.

https://www.paypal.com/us/webapps/mp...reement-full#4

wow!:d

[bender07]

Originally Posted by kcohen

I find amusing those who mount their high horses to call out a purported scammer, yet have no compunction regarding the use of Paypal gift payment to scam THEM out of THEIR fees. Hypocrisy much?

Too funny!

[7nohitter]

Let's get back to Jose...

[CW]

Sorry, guys... wasn't in the best mood last night.

[I Only Smoke 4 the Cards]

This pretty much sums up my feelings.

[HRBAKER]

I know I for one work for free, I can't imagine it to be unreasonable to expect PP to do the same, right?

[freakhappy]

Originally Posted by HRBAKER

I know I for one work for free, I can't imagine it to be unreasonable to expect PP to do the same, right?

I'm pretty sure they are doing just fine


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[HRBAKER]

Originally Posted by freakhappy

I'm pretty sure they are doing just fine


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I'm sure they are but that's not the point.

[freakhappy]

Originally Posted by HRBAKER

I'm sure they are but that's not the point.

Oh, I get the point. If anyone uses the FF option, the protection isn't there...most people understand that and pick that option regardless. If anyone wants to use it, I have no problem with it and if Paypal had a big issue with it, they could probably do something about it.


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[HRBAKER]

I think it used to be referred to as the honor system.

Obviously the way it is set up leaves a lot of leeway, and it should come as no surprise that a lot of people will choose the option that gets them something for nothing. I get that too.

[freakhappy]

If I ever sold bigger items or purchased bigger items, I would have to think about using FF or not. I can see where you are coming from, Jeff, but it's an option and they allow it to be used. My big issue with it is that the protection isn't there. But yeah, honor system...sounds good roll with what you believe in


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[HRBAKER]

It's amazing how many people are "Friends and Family" with folks they couldn't pick out of a crowd of one. That's the internet age for ya, really has made the world a smaller place.

[nolemmings]

Jeff, I hear ya and agree with you about the honor system, and while I will admit to having been "dishonorable" a few times, I generally add the paypal charges out my pocket when told I can pay by using "family & friends". I have never asked someone to pay me by "paypal gift" or its newer equivalent.

This construct that paypal differentiates true business transactions by the relationship of the participants is, um, artful. Truth is they are offering a service whereby expect a little % for such transactions, whereas if you are truly acting as a conduit for the transfer of funds--maybe even loans, there is no charge. Look at their fee explanation-- it tells you that buyers do not pay, sellers do, and transfers of money are usually without charge when made to friends and family. Note that it makes no friend/family distinction when discussing what happens when you are "selling something". You pay and you get the protection. I always thought that the intent and language was fairly straightforward, but I guess others have a different interpretation.

[HRBAKER]

Todd,

I agree. If a seller is selling something and I want it enough, I will pick up the fees if they ask for "FF/Gift." IMO, truth be told not only is the seller skirting the T&C but they are asking the buyer to as well. They want instant access to the funds from a confirmed source for free - sure beats waiting for a check, then waiting for it to clear, etc (that's the service part you are paying for). I think that if a seller doesn't want to pay the fees the right thing to do is to offer other payment methods.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by HRBAKER

Todd,

I agree. If a seller is selling something and I want it enough, I will pick up the fees if they ask for "FF/Gift." IMO, truth be told not only is the seller skirting the T&C but they are asking the buyer to as well. They want instant access to the funds from a confirmed source for free - sure beats waiting for a check, then waiting for it to clear, etc (that's the service part you are paying for). I think that if a seller doesn't want to pay the fees the right thing to do is to offer other payment methods.

I pay paypal quite a bit in fees. Sometimes I ask for FF, if it is a friend or family.....even if for a service or item. All things totaled I am sure ebay would rather me use their service. I requested almost $500 from someone this evening and will be eating the fees...and it's for a service with no protections needed. I could have just as easily asked for a check as I don't need the money now.
If I request a FF then I always give another option to the other party. Am I skirting their rules, probably. But do I feel I also pay them back, yes. Probably not perfect and in some members eyes unconscionable, but to me it's not that bad. They make a lot of profit off of me and I do it on purpose to help (me) justify the times I use FF......but again, to each their own.

[HRBAKER]

If I request a FF then I always give another option to the other party.

That's key distinction btw insisting on PP and making the buyer pick up your cost of doing business in vio of the T&C. All IMO of course.

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by HRBAKER

Todd,

I agree. If a seller is selling something and I want it enough, I will pick up the fees if they ask for "FF/Gift." IMO, truth be told not only is the seller skirting the T&C but they are asking the buyer to as well. They want instant access to the funds from a confirmed source for free - sure beats waiting for a check, then waiting for it to clear, etc (that's the service part you are paying for). I think that if a seller doesn't want to pay the fees the right thing to do is to offer other payment methods.

Jeff,

I agree with you 100%, and have offered to pick up the (roughly 3%) fees when there is no other payment option listed. I also agree that PayPal (yes, eBay) offers services rendered for fees paid service.

If sending payment through this service...if you get screwed...I ask this:

Did you really send the money to a "friend" or a member of your "family?"

Probably not.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by HRBAKER

If I request a FF then I always give another option to the other party.

That's key distinction btw insisting on PP and making the buyer pick up your cost of doing business in vio of the T&C. All IMO of course.

I could just not take PayPal at all and then paypal would get 0. Instead they get quite a bit or money from me. That isn't in their T&C. And no, it's probably not perfect but I also understand they have essentially no risk whatsoever when I accept FF......

[jgmp123]

Update:
Hello all,

I finally was able to get Jose to mail out my items and he provided me with tracking. The only problem now is that the item shows delivered to my town, but not to my home. I was expecting 2 packages today and one was delivered with my normal mail at 1:30pm, but the package from Jose shows it was scanned as "delivered" at 9:30am....

I am beginning to think I am going crazy. I called the post office and alerted them to the issue, gave them the tracking #, and was told the driver would check his route and return a call to me tomorrow.

I assume someone at the post office scanned it in and took the items, but who knows. This is the first issue I have had with this particular post office, after having 100's of items delivered.

I confirmed the address was correct and Jose said it was, but who knows.

My two questions:
1.) It was shipped "First Class" and I don't believe that includes insurance, so is there anything I can do? Especially with the discrepancy in the delivery times?

2.) By me giving them the tracking #, Are they able to see what address the package was designated to? Let's say it was sent to "907 Street Address" instead of "970 Street Address" ?

[JasonD08]

Nope you are screwed.

[jgmp123]

Originally Posted by JasonD08

Nope you are screwed.

Thanks Jason. Do I owe you anything for that?

[I Only Smoke 4 the Cards]

I had this same issue. I think the cards were delivered to the wrong house because someone put the package on my porch later that night.


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