Piedmonts are getting expensive.

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by steve B

PSA 161,458 graded
grade how many
10 13
9 267
8.5 49
8 2356
9Q 41
8Q 127
total 2853 =1.7-1.8%

SGC 94,730 graded

grade how many
100 0
98 (10) 1
96 (9) 18
92 (8.5) 28
88 (8) 146
total 193 = 0.2 %

Interesting numbers. I'm not sure I'd say SGC is that much tougher on the high end. It's more likely that there are very few T206s that are NM/Mt left ungraded.

Steve B

Well lets see what the numbers prove about the PSA International thread. If all the 8s were reviewed with the graders and had a 10% chance of getting bumped to a 9, you would have about 267 9s.

And if all the 9s were reviewed with the graders and had a 5% chance of getting bumped to a 10, you would have about 13 10s.

But what if all the 8s were bumped up from 7s......Hmmmm.

Every time a card crosses over to a higher grade or gets a re-review bump the mountain gets more populated at the top. Certainly many of the 8.5s were once 8s as the half grades are relatively recent at PSA. So how many of the 9s were once 8s? How many of these high end cards have been cracked and resubmitted in an effort to get a higher grade and failed?

See what I'm saying.

No I'm not saying cards can routinely sequentially be bumped from 7 to 8 to 9 to 10, but I am saying there are several reasons why these high pop numbers may be inflated, whether the cards are legit or have been touched up .

And I'm not saying the same effect could not be seen with SGC numbers.

I'm an equal opportunity analyst, who firmly believes that....

"Figures can lie and liars can figure."

[I Only Smoke 4 the Cards]

My 2 cents - I think a lot of the high grade cards were pasted into books and later soaked out. Personally I don't care either way.

[ullmandds]

that is likely, Alex.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

Well lets see what the numbers prove about the PSA International thread. If all the 8s were reviewed with the graders and had a 10% chance of getting bumped to a 9, you would have about 267 9s.

And if all the 9s were reviewed with the graders and had a 5% chance of getting bumped to a 10, you would have about 13 10s.

But what if all the 8s were bumped up from 7s......Hmmmm.

Every time a card crosses over to a higher grade or gets a re-review bump the mountain gets more populated at the top. Certainly many of the 8.5s were once 8s as the half grades are relatively recent at PSA. So how many of the 9s were once 8s? How many of these high end cards have been cracked and resubmitted in an effort to get a higher grade and failed?

See what I'm saying.

No I'm not saying cards can routinely sequentially be bumped from 7 to 8 to 9 to 10, but I am saying there are several reasons why these high pop numbers may be inflated, whether the cards are legit or have been touched up .

And I'm not saying the same effect could not be seen with SGC numbers.

I'm an equal opportunity analyst, who firmly believes that....

"Figures can lie and liars can figure."

The numbers probably are inflated a bit. Simply from the occasional crossover or crack and resubmit. I'm not sure how many people would do that on a prewar card with a high grade. I know I'd have a hard time taking the chance.

Just as a small point, the numbers for 7s are roughly 4500 PSA and just over 900 SGC. So not much population to bump.

Steve B

[teetwoohsix]

Interesting thread. I don't collect the high grade cards, but reading through this I couldn't help thinking of the Black Swamp find.

Sincerely, Clayton

[ullmandds]

I don't know Clayton... I don't know of any large finds of mostly mint condition t206s... Some more seasoned collectors might? That would be like the Black Swamp find!

[jujudrum]

Yes there was a large find like that. About 25 years ago, roughly 1000 cards found in a closet in Virginia. They were by far the finest T206's I've ever encountered in my 45 years in the hobby.

[ullmandds]

Brian I think I remember that find... Weren't they all stored by team in cigarette boxes?

[jujudrum]

I never heard specifically how they were stored, other than they were found in a closet. It seems like the Dealer who got the find, was at most of the larger shows with them. Obviously, they sold pretty quickly.

[Wildfireschulte]

I remember that find - most of the cards were stored in Piedmont boxes with tape strips labeling the team being stored in the box. There were a bunch of cards in great shape but not all. I think that Billy ended up with a bunch of them. I can't remember the name of the guy that scored them - he flipped everything quick.