FINAL----HOF Ballot- Submit your own!

[HRBAKER]

They had it all before they started. It was their choice and now what they are dealing with is part of the bargain they made. Nobody but their pride, ego and greed made them do it. Not the fans, not the Commissioner, not the writers, not the non-doping teammates. Your point is a good one about no one stepping forward (sans Canseco for multiple purposes) but they each are responsible for their own behavior. The players are responsible for the mess, not the writers.

[toyman55]

Jeff, I don't want to sound like what they did is right because it wasn't. I do think that at the time Mcgwire and Sosa were banging out homers fans were flocking to the stadiums filling seats and not only making owners rich but if you recall fan attendance had been dwindling and interest fading. Point being no one in baseball wanted to say anything because they were saving and more important bringing back fan interest. Maybe we should toss Gaylord Perry and Burlleigh Grimes, Ed Walsh and a few others out of the Hall for throwing a spitball! That was cheating as well. Do you think Don Drysdale who was infamous for throwing at batters and hitting them? Don hit 154 batters, the great Walter Johnson hit 205, Nolan Ryan 158 BUT Koufax who pitched in pain isn't even in the top ten of hitting batters. Do you think some of those guys cheated. My point is for me and me alone, I cheered all the PED guys at the time and was happy to see new and younger fans coming out and watching the game. I say cut some slack, vote them in and if you have to say they cheated for a period of time then say it and get over it.

[HRBAKER]

What were we supposed to do? Stop going to the games or cheering bc some of the players decided to cheat? I don't feel compelled to cut them any slack just bc I kept going to or watching the games. Not arguing with you at all, but this is on them alone to me.