ebay seller - probstein123

[Sean1125]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

Can someone show me the "hard evidence" of Panky still consigning and shilling with Rick?

That would be what I am referring to.

[Sean1125]

I will make my stance clear since several members are misinterpreting it.

- I have no comment when it comes to shilling. I do not deny that it happened.
- I have not and will not ever shill my own auctions.
- The constant berating of Rick is unnecessary and uncalled for.
- The SUPER MAJORITY of auctions are fine. I do not see comments ever made on those.
- I have offered to e-mail Rick on anyone's behalf who believe an auction is being shilled. He will act accordingly if it is.
- When his name is mentioned in conversation and the first thing out of the persons mouth (actually happened today viewing an inventory), "oh so you shill your auctions?" It hurts. Not everyone is honest and I get grouped into them because of your comments.

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by Sean1125

I will make my stance clear since several members are misinterpreting it.


- When his name is mentioned in conversation and the first thing out of the persons mouth (actually happened today viewing an inventory), "oh so you shill your auctions?" It hurts. Not everyone is honest and I get grouped into them because of your comments.

So this forum should not discuss the obvious shill bidding going on in Probstein's auctions because you choose to sell your cards through him. Got it.

[Sean1125]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

So this forum should not discuss the obvious shill bidding going on in Probstein's auctions because you choose to sell your cards through him. Got it.

Don't put words in my mouth. I am saying it can be done with more tact.

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by Sean1125

Don't put words in my mouth. I am saying it can be done with more tact.

Okay, so give us an example of how pointing out the shill bidding can be done with "tact". Should we come to you and have our posts approved before posting?

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Sean1125

I will make my stance clear since several members are misinterpreting it.

- I have no comment when it comes to shilling. I do not deny that it happened.
- I have not and will not ever shill my own auctions.
- The constant berating of Rick is unnecessary and uncalled for.
- The SUPER MAJORITY of auctions are fine. I do not see comments ever made on those.
- I have offered to e-mail Rick on anyone's behalf who believe an auction is being shilled. He will act accordingly if it is.
- When his name is mentioned in conversation and the first thing out of the persons mouth (actually happened today viewing an inventory), "oh so you shill your auctions?" It hurts. Not everyone is honest and I get grouped into them because of your comments.

Maybe you are misinterpreting others.
-You acknowledge shilling but will not comment on it.
-You say you have not shilled your auctions. GOOD FOR YOU KEEP IT UP.
-The berating of Rick IS called for until he changes his ways.
-The SUPER MAJORITY of Ricks auctions are fine. Great what about the others?
-You unfortunately got grouped into the shiller group because of who YOU do business with.

I personally do not bid on anything he lists because of a very deceptive auction I wanted to bid on about 2 yrs ago. He listed a large lot of cards(approx. 100) with the cheap cards all fanned out in the picture. Cheap cards with about $1 each value so no big deal that I could not see them. Then he pictured 3(4) very rare error cards fanned out with some $5 each cards. He made it easy to see the error portion of 3 cards that I was willing to pay $300 each for. Then he hid the error portion on one card.
I messaged him to ask about the card that the error part was hidden behind another card. I got a very rude response back about how it was already packed for shipping and it was not worth his time to look at 1 card. I messaged him with in 1 hour of it being listed.
I understand a $300 card is nothing to some people but it IS a lot for a piece of cardboard for me especially when it could have been a $1 card he had hidden to make it look like it could be a rare error card.
Sorry for the long post I just wanted everyone to know shilling is not the only reason people dislike Rick.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

Can someone show me the "hard evidence" of Panky still consigning and shilling with Rick?

Originally Posted by Sean1125

That would be what I am referring to.

This has already been discussed as well. But we can revisit is again. If you look at Probstein's stores, Panky's is "The GEM Collection."

[Sean1125]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

This has already been discussed as well. But we can revisit is again. If you look at Probstein's stores, Panky's is "The GEM Collection."

Please repost the proof you were referring to when we spoke.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Sean1125

Please repost the proof you were referring to when we spoke.

Proof of what, Sean? What do you want me to prove?

I have provided everything you've asked for. Want more proof? Just let me know what exactly it is you want me to prove.

If obliged you, pleas oblige me: Now having proof that Rick allows shilling on his auctions and does nothing about it, how can you continue to do business with him with a clear conscience? It's a legitimate question.

Money trump all?

[Sean1125]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Proof of what, Sean? What do you want me to prove?

I have provided everything you've asked for. Want more proof? Just let me know what exactly it is you want me to prove.

If obliged you, pleas oblige me: Now having proof that Rick allows shilling on his auctions and does nothing about it, how can you continue to do business with him with a clear conscience? It's a legitimate question.

Money trump all?

He provides the labor and time that I just don't have. My conscience is clear because I don't shill my own auctions.

I have a very, very high tolerance level for just about everything but... I now see why Rick doesn't bother responding to you dicks. Because you are just that, dicks.

I could use a few more choice words but I won't... Have a nice evening I'm done.

[vintagetoppsguy]

He doesn't respond to us dicks because we would eat him alive. It's hard to respond when all the evidence is right there in his face.

Edited to add: Rick allows shilling in his auctions and does absolutely nothing about it and we're the dicks? Ummm, yeah. Ok.

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by Sean1125

He provides the labor and time that I just don't have. My conscience is clear because I don't shill my own auctions.

I have a very, very high tolerance level for just about everything but... I now see why Rick doesn't bother responding to you dicks. Because you are just that, dicks.

I could use a few more choice words but I won't... Have a nice evening I'm done.

Stay Classy, Sean. I'm quoting this so your comments will remain on the forum forever.

[CW]

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Originally Posted by Sean1125

He provides the labor and time that I just don't have. My conscience is clear because I don't shill my own auctions.

I have a very, very high tolerance level for just about everything but... I now see why Rick doesn't bother responding to you dicks. Because you are just that, dicks.

I could use a few more choice words but I won't... Have a nice evening I'm done.

[jhs5120]

Last I spoke to Rick it seemed like he was doing a fair amount to clean up the hobby. It seems like Panky is providing a considerable amount of revenue for Rick, I can't blame him for not dropping him as a consignor.

[vintagetoppsguy]

And if you want proof of my last comment, just read post #368 (page 37) of this thread...

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=174608

Guys, seriously, why do we have to go through this every time Rick's name is brought up? The same people always question it and ask for proof and the same proof is always provided. The facts aren't going to change just because you ask over and over to see them.