"Discovery" of the year for 2013

[packs]

Looks like a definite tie to the program. But no tie to any other origin. I would guess they are cut from the program. If that is true I think the value is much lower.

Seems like too much of a coincidence that such a unique design would be used for a program and independent set of cards. Occam's razor

[Denali]

The Vampire Wagner.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by packs

Looks like a definite tie to the program. But no tie to any other origin. I would guess they are cut from the program. If that is true I think the value is much lower.

Seems like too much of a coincidence that such a unique design would be used for a program and independent set of cards. Occam's razor

They are the same poses as whatever is shown. I will give it that. However, the cards we have seen all have blank backs. I would like to see the back of that ephemera shown in the first post. Is it a program, a scorecard, a supplement etc...? Short of that answer, concerning the back, all anyone is doing is guessing.....And btw, there are a lot of card and pictures with the same type photos on them. We see them all of the time. It's not a coincidence that things made 80-100 yrs ago got remade into other things. The same pictures and poses were used for lots of different applications from what I have seen. Maybe we will find out for sure in the future....who knows...

[packs]

People are guessing but doesn't it seem pretty likely they are related? It's the same unique design and the A's did play the Giants in that series. That's a lot of coincidences surrounding a set almost nothing is known about.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by packs

People are guessing but doesn't it seem pretty likely they are related? Much more likely than a second identical independent set being produced by an anonymous company?

It's not just a pose or player. It's the same unique design and the A's did play the Giants in that series.

They certainly could be related or associated or the same. I dunno for sure....maybe we will know definitively in the future....

And to be clear on the other issue of Lew saying anything pertaining to the Derby's.....I was only quoting (and miss quoting at that) what was stated in his Encyclopedia. He said a collector said he had found it that way. I thought something else. My apologies for that miss quote...and that is all I know of other than owning some.

[slidekellyslide]

Certainly someone here either owns or knows someone who owns a 1913 World Series scorecard...it shouldn't be too hard to clear up this mystery. It seems pretty likely to me that these "Derby" cards are cut from that.

edited to add: And you know looking at the above photo which shows the covers of both 1913 WS Programs and then the sheet of "cards" perhaps these were blank backed sheets inserted into the programs?

[brianp-beme]

Someone else mentioned this one that I so easily forgot (and in very little time, I might add)...the E121 Meadows. What I find so fascinating about this find is that this Meadows card is not just a team change or some other minor modification, but a completely new image never seen before in any of the E121sets. How in the world did it go unnoticed for so long?

Brian