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Old 12-09-2013, 12:53 PM
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I never have figured out why Ted Simmons is not in. Better than Fisk and Carter IMO.
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Old 12-09-2013, 01:22 PM
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I never have figured out why Ted Simmons is not in. Better than Fisk and Carter IMO.
Agree 100%. The stats don't lie.
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I never have figured out why Ted Simmons is not in. Better than Fisk and Carter IMO.
Fisk and Carter played in Boston and New York on wildly popular teams (75 Sox and 86 Mets). Simmons played for mostly bad teams in St Louis in the 70's and only made it to the series once for small-market Milwaukee.
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Fisk and Carter played in Boston and New York on wildly popular teams (75 Sox and 86 Mets). Simmons played for mostly bad teams in St Louis in the 70's and only made it to the series once for small-market Milwaukee.
I agree, I just didn't want to play the "East Coast Bias" card
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I totally agree on the call for all three Managers. 3 of the top 5 Managers of all time in wins should make it a no brainer......
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I am certainly not sure but I believe the morality clause in the selection process for the Baseball Hall of Fame eliminates Steinbrenner from ever going in?

He has a conviction for the illegal contributions plus the suspension for what he did to Winfield?

Of course there are plenty of rogues already in but the BBHOF does make a distinction opposed to the Pro FB HOF which seems to encourage criminals?

Plus what did George ever do for baseball, he only did things for Geroge and I grew up a Yankee fan.
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If LaRussa is in, then McGwire should be in too.
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If LaRussa is in, then McGwire should be in too.
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I never have figured out why Ted Simmons is not in. Better than Fisk and Carter IMO.
Because they were catchers and he was a DH.
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Because they were catchers and he was a DH.
He only played 5 of his 20 seasons in the AL so it's a pretty good stretch to consider him a DH. Fisk did some DHing himself late in his career.
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He only played 5 of his 20 seasons in the AL so it's a pretty good stretch to consider him a DH. Fisk did some DHing himself late in his career.
Agreed, that was a curious reply.
There may be a multitude of reasons that Simmons is not in the HOF, the fact that he was briefly a DH is not one of them.
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He only played 5 of his 20 seasons in the AL so it's a pretty good stretch to consider him a DH. Fisk did some DHing himself late in his career.
He was a natural DH that was trying to play catcher. There are no doubts regarding Fisk or Carter behind the plate.
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It's hypocrisy that the Hall bans players who used PEDs then votes in La Russa. He was and is the most blatant PED enabler and apologist. A real anti-PED message for the ages would have been sent if he was kept out along with Bonds and McGwire.

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I'm a Simmons fan and I dislike Fisk and Carter. I decided to check some basic numbers at BB Reference. After looking at the numbers, I'm ranking Carter and Fisk ever so slightly above Simmons.

Carter
2092 hits 220 HR 823 RBI .262/.335/.439 BA/OBP/SLG 115 OPS+
11 All Star games, 5 silver sluggers, 3 GG Baseball Reference WAR 69.8

Fisk
2356 hits 376 HR 1330 RBI .269/.341/.457 117 OPS+
11 All Star games, 3 silver sluggers, 1 GG WAR 68.3

Simmons
2472 hits 248 HR 1389 RBI .285/.366/.459 118 OPS+
8 All Star games, 1 silver slugger, 0 GG WAR 50.2
Simmons split 1983 behind the plate and DH.
Mostly a DH/1B after that, but wasn't a very good one. His numbers took a dive from 1984 to 1988.
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