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Jeez, sorry, Mark! We shoulda kept our mouths shut (or our fingers off the keyboard) -- it's a great piece no matter what.
Mark Cooper will readily admit there are errors in his 1994 volume -- it was a pioneering work with almost no prior sources or available documentation on which to rely, so there was was a lot of guesstimation involved in putting a date to many pieces. Over time, much has been corrected and many blanks filled in by collectors and members at our Baseball Games forum, and a great deal of that new information is thanks to the ferocious research of Hall of Fame Senior Curator Tom Shieber, who did an incredible amount of digging to get the details right for the Hall's 2008 exhibition of Dr Cooper's collection. The patent for Wachter's was granted in March 1891, and the earliest advertisements so far found for it appear in October 1890. The patent for the Nash Base-Ball And Bagatelle was granted in September 1889, but we haven't yet run across any advertising for it. That said, there's often a substantial gap between the granting of a patent and the actual production of a game -- sometimes a couple of years, in a few instances decades. Advertisements are often a more reliable indicator than patent or copyright dates of when a game was actually on the market. Without more documentation on the Nash game, there's no overwhelming reason to think Wachter's didn't hit the market first and that you do in fact have a scarce example of the oldest baseball-themed pinball/bagatelle game made.
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Wow- that's some great history. Thanks for all of the background info! I am truly amazed and impressed that you are able to document it in such meticulous detail... great stuff.
Of course I was just kidding about being disappointed. It's fascinating to study and collect these relics from Baseball's infancy, and you guys are providing a great service to our community ![]() |
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Mike,
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Hi again, Mark, thanks very much for the kind words! We really were concerned we'd thrown a wet blanket over your Wachter's
(creepy as that might sound) when we'd only wanted to get some more precise info out there for ya. We'll add, in fact, for your edification, that Wachter was Henry Wachter, who designed and patented the game, which was produced by the Columbus Engraving Co [Columbus, Ohio] under the "Columbus Parlor Base Ball Co" rubric (all that info solely due to the amazing research of Tom Shieber). By the way, Yahoo has recently all but crippled our forum, but we're transcribing the entirety of its nine-plus years of research and discussion to a new host at a new location, hopefully ready and open for business by Christmas. Our main site (linked in our sig) remains in place (but sorely in need of updating).
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