Miscuts: Since when did bad become good?

[frankb22]

I understand errors like Magie, Doyle and even ghost images to
a certain degree but since when did off-center become a plus?
A little off-center is bad but a lot is good? Someone please
explain it because i have no idea what is the attraction and why
it only applies to T206.

[rdwyer]

Because they are printing errors.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Personally I think it's because a handful of people have each other all pumped up, but what do I know.

[HRBAKER]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Personally I think it's because a handful of people have each other all pumped up, but what do I know.

True, but really that's all it takes.

[Texxxx]

I think it started with alcohol. The more you consume the better they look. Kind of like the girls at the bar at 2:00 am.

[oldjudge]

When someone was willing to pay up for them--just like anything else.

[Rob D.]

Collectors don't realize how rare they are. Imagine how prices will skyrocket when that happens. Easily $1,000 cards.

[atx840]

When you see a regular front with "miscut" back where it has a descent amount of the adjacent ad it really means it was misprinted, not cut incorrectly.

The sheet was incorrectly aligned when the backs were printed, off setting the advertisements and then they were cut based off the front image. More print error then cutting error.

For those who don't get excited about chasing the Monster in a plethora of "commons", these oddballs keep collecting the type exciting.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by frankb22

I understand errors like Magie, Doyle and even ghost images to
a certain degree but since when did off-center become a plus?
A little off-center is bad but a lot is good? Someone please
explain it because i have no idea what is the attraction and why
it only applies to T206.

It does not just apply to the T206 cards. As someone that has collected errors for 20+ years I have seen there popularity come and go. I personally collect the way off center cards(next card showing) because perfect centered cards are not rare but finding a card so offcenter that a part of another card showing is.

If you want crazy you need to check out the 89 Fleer Bill Ripken collectors. Just a simple print dot can increase the price by up to 10X what a NM card of the same variation sells for. I have sold 1 of the Black Box versions that normally sell for $1-$2 for $40 just because there was a print dot in the Black Box.

[mrvster]

beauty is in the eye of the beholder

....alternative collecting....one man's trash is another man's treasure....they are unique.....rare.....fun to look at...."freaky"....cool

T206 is such an Iconic set......much "niche" collecting to be done, factory errors, rare backs, autographed cards, printer's scrap, Southern league....etc. etc. but we all know this....

I think there might be some "miscut" Envy out there, and that's why the haters keep hating.....they are not as easy to obtain as a lot of other T206....

So let's turn this ship around...AND SHOW US YOUR T206 Miscuts!

[mrvster]

how could you not like this????????????????

[MVSNYC]

As Chris & Johnny have alluded to above, they are very rare. Also, being a designer, the drastic miscuts are very appealing to me. they're graphic, bold and artistic...in a cubist or deconstructive manner.

[Leon]

I am with you guys but only have one T206 miscut type, unfortunately. They are so hotly contested nowadays, the more severe and "neat" ones go for a ton. And because we still get a lot of new members, there might be someone in the world who hasn't seen this one...

[Blunder19]

his stomach is above his head..... I rest my case.

[calvindog]

[mrvster]

Mike,
LOVE'EM....great taste....

Jamie,

You have the eye.....WOW...that type of front miscut is near impossible..very impressive

Leon,

please leave that card to me in your will....one of my favorites next to your matty proof.....I call your multi strike the "rosetta stone" of T206 backs

Jeff,

That Cobber needs to be on a magazine cover

[Kawika]

Originally Posted by Texxxx

I think it started with alcohol. The more you consume the better they look. Kind of like the girls at the bar at 2:00 am.

She looks good and I don't even drink.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Jeff, why did that Cobb grade authentic? It was cut that way at the factory, not altered in some way.

[Zach Wheat]

I agree with Ben...it is not just T206's. Some T201's have sold for quite a bit higher than I would anticipate as well. I am sure this happens in other card series as well.

Z Wheat

[thehoodedcoder]

i think the front miscuts are interesting, especially if there is a different player. that...is something i can see driving some value up since there is debates about sheet layouts.

but im with the OP on backs. just don't see it. rare ok. but the prices being paid are astronimical. there are cards that are in less numbers that go for less than what some people are paying for these.

kevin

[MVSNYC]

Here's one i used to own, another board member has it now. Up until about 5 years ago, SGC was not even slabbing errors & miscuts. i brought a bunch to a show and convinced them it was a good idea, they did it. included in the bunch was an upside down back, yellow/brown scrap and this miscut. they said they would do it, but felt it was best to label it all as AUTH.

[Runscott]

.......

[z28jd]

My "sheet"

[MVSNYC]

Thanks to Chris for this Sov.

The above 4-card sheet is pretty sick. upside down as well. what?!

Besides being rare, the Miscuts are just simply cool to look at.

[wonkaticket]

I have a few oddballs/mistakes not a lot of them. For me I don’t have to have a ton of them either nor do I want to. Having just a few simply rounds out a collection of a certain issue that I have collected since I was kid. I think they are neat and it gives a little insight into the production of the cards and adds a dash of unique to my collection.



Mike LOL, I have owned this Knight card so long Sloate was still in business when I got it…I think I’m going to have to put a sticker on this like a museum pretty soon “on loan from the Sarno collection since 2007”.

[MVSNYC]

John- That would make me happy. Anything to make me 'think' I still own it.

[scooter729]

I think what drives some of the non T206 addicts a bit crazy with this phenomenon is that the high prices are so isolated to T206's.

For instance, I own this E92 - missing color on the front (should have the green background). E92's already are much scarcer than T206's, so why wouldn't this card sell for thousands of dollars since it's a "freak"? I'd probably be lucky to sell it for the same price as the regular version of the card.

[mrvster]

......

John

....that's not just "a few".....That is a collage of SICKNESS.....multi k sickness!!....just a few of those would put anyone's collection to shame....the rockenfeld is just off the charts...the bates proof, the bowerman bb ghost, the knight, engle ,bender....those are giving me palpatations! extremely rare, kewl, unique, just to say the least......wow....you are very modest in saying you just wanted a "few"....you need my circus added to make that the T206 freak show....

i'll take the bates proof please and all your scrap....oh wait...I was dreaming


ya its kewl to own a rare back where there are multiple examples and they all look the same...or just a few......the back never changes into something different....cookie cutter cards to me...(don't get me wrong, I love rare backs, and pursue them cause I love T206 as you know,not to take away from them)...or have a pristine card with perfect centering and color...ho hum....to each his own....they are more easily attainable than these freaks/scraps/miscuts.....printer's f' ups , ironically, have created a whole different breed of T206.... so funny how things turned out....wonder if some of the printers were hung over, as they inverted the sheets upside down?? or where dreaming about taking a trip on the TITANIC


these errors miscuts/scraps are like "mini art".......alternate T206......a class by themselves....misfits that are getting the recognition they deserve, and always should have.....scraps are like snowflakes, even the similar ones are different.....they not only give insight into the lithographic process, and creation....kinda of like unique "puzzle " pieces....like johnnys "drunken, upside down "rare ass "sheet.....the bowerman ghost on back....etc...etc...

Leon's card including the brown old mill is priceless inmho.....to include all those backs on one card...SIMPLY AMAZING!....and to tie in brown old mill with them is just dreamy....

Well....I threw with "hyping" them up....I think they speak for themselves

please, if you don't like them, this is not the place for you....collectors/people don't like change sometimes(for better or worse), in this case for the better, recognition of these incredible cards will continue despite the haters.....everyone is entitled to their own opinions , which I totally respect...

I do ask, tho, if there are any haters who'd like to give up some of those freaks/errors at a discount i'm your man just contact me....

there are enough of these freaks to start or continue the freak T206 sub culture....and I don't mind being the ring leader....i'm trying to build a "circus" as Andy G has coined it.....

[mrvster]

BTW- sick card!

There is a simple explaination for this.....popularity.....supply VS. DEMAND....

the market has to be there.....your variables are not present for driving up the price on your card....but, inmho, the potential is there....

You see, T206 has a huge market and a ton of cards to collect....ITS a popular set, and has new collectors pursuing/entering market daily....

your issue is not as popular as T206(altho popular).....once more collectors gain interest in that issue, if they do, then there d have to be interest in the "sub " culture cards in that issue to drive prices up on your freaks...

personally, I see the T205 scraps/freaks the next to gain popularity other than T206......rarity does not always reflect the market price on non popular issues...


suggestion.....buy a T206.....and possibly a T206 freak

[mrvster]

I don't care...I LOVE IT!!! (but I hate that song)

[T206Collector]

People love collecting T206s in a way that not everyone with a big bag of money can. The only impediment to building a set of 521 is cash, not availability. Collecting T206s in unique ways helps bring the collector closer to the set -- it becomes more personal. That is just one of the reasons why I love autographed T206 cards. And I am not alone...

Consider the following...

T206 Sam Crawford on ebay for $199:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sam-Crawford...item485c1a6a61

Sam Crawford Cut Sig on ebay for $299:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Wahoo-Sam-Cr...item19e4a854b5

Put them together and it'll cost you $6,500+:

http://sports.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleN...lotIdNo=123003

[frankb22]

Will admit that some of the posted cards are pretty cool, especially
the assortment that Wonka displayed. Looked through some of my raw
cards and did find two that had the name at the top along with a few
others with imperfections that others might deem collectible.
Will go through my entire collection and look for any oddities etc that
might be worth moving to the misfit subset of cards.

[Exhibitman]

1. They are unique and they pose a fun challenge beyond merely monetary in assembling them from mainstream sets. Based on availability--money aside--I could assemble a near complete T206 fronts set inside of a few months [the Doyle variation would be the toughie but the rest is out there every auction season]. Other sets are even easier. But assembling a collection of drastic miscuts from the same sets, that's work.



2. The very drastic miscuts show something about the printing sheets, printing process, etc.



3. Except for the T206 miscusts, they can still be had very cheaply as compared to the same card without the cutting error.



4. I get the sense with the really bad ones that they were never really meant to go out in the first place.

[mrvster]

Glad to see you've warmed up a little

they are very cool to "try to hunt" on ebay, or through a big collection.....sometimes feels like hitting a mini lottery if your luckey enough....the rule o' thumb....the more "drastic" the more prized, hence the correlation to value........ if you , or anyone has value in mind....

name at tops are very cool....2 full names are $100-$150.00 cards on average....depends how much the 2 names are showing....some collectors collect 2 name card T206(I did for a while, but gave up and moved on to more addictive freaks/scraps)....2 different name T206(one name at top/another at bottom) command $200-$500 on average(depends on condition, subject etc)....I hate to put values on anything, but these are just what they been going for the last few years.....please not trying to upset anyone on values/collectability.....that has to be worked out between collector / collector...

Frank, you are a true collector we respect in this hobby...glad you brought this point up, because some collectors just have no idea...

miscut back/front values depends on the severity/rarity of the miscut.......



please , post more examples...

Adam,

you have the eye my friend


let's have some fun


Wonka's display of scrap/ freaks is mind blowing

[wonkaticket]

I have Adam to thank for a few of these...I added a few more I still need to scan..

[mrvster]

John!

how could I forget! Obakz

beauties....if they were T206

[z28jd]

I took offers on this card once about a year ago and there was barely any interest

[caramelcard]

It they reveal something about the printing process, then they create more interest. More interest drives up the price.

[sb1]

seldom seen T204 misprint

[Leon]

I could go on for days about miscuts from series other than T206. I love them.....Got a great one yesterday from the BST.....here is an E135 Lobert with some of the next card too.....(please disregard the others)

[mrvster]

btw Leon....the front side to side miscuts are the rarest! especially if you can make out the other player...nice pick up Leon....

[caramelcard]

Scott,

Miscuts are one thing, but that's really interesting.

Rob

[Leon]

Originally Posted by mrvster

btw Leon....the front side to side miscuts are the rarest! especially if you can make out the other player...nice pick up Leon....

Thanks my man!! This D304 Rucker is one of the few D304 miscuts I have seen,....

[mrvster]

You have the eye

....those front miscuts ( side to side) in any issue are EXTREMELY tuf....thinking printer noticed the mis alignments on those real quick and either disposed, or re adjusted printer quick before they slipped out.....

I only have one good T206 side to side front Wilhelm....I will post scan later...Brian Weisner has a few slivers....but T206 front side to sides are rare! I love em...

Leon....please let me rent Matty Proof

[Leon]

Done deal Johnny, just return him when done .....all in fun....

[mrvster]

That card is truly one of my favorites of all time(besides your holy grail multi strike).....I truly never get sick of seeing them both.......I must have them one day

[Jantz]

I don't buy miscut T206s often, but when I do, I prefer miscut T206s with two different names!

Collect what you like my friends!


Jantz

[teetwoohsix]

Amazing cards everyone!!

Rare, unique, fun to collect, awesome to discover. I love these cards- thanks for posting!!

Sincerely,

Clayton

[Josh Wolf]

Speaking of cool miscuts, did anyone here land this one?

http://collectauctions.com/LotDetail...1.5-%28Fair%29

Congrats to the winner on a great pickup.

Josh

[mrvster]

Wow! that's a rare beauty! impossible front miscut