Another Probstein LOL

[thehoodedcoder]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Would any of the Probstein apologists, the manners police, the blah blah blahzy blah imbeciles care to comment on Rick's explanation of the auction of his Mathewson ball?

Sure.

While it certainly doesn't look or sound good and there probably is something wrong here....

Let's face it, you still have nothing which concretely proves something wrong was done. Period.

Add the definitive proof. Let me know when you do that. Until then this thread is just like the rest... Circumstantial and inconclusive.

Kevin

[markf31]

Originally Posted by thehoodedcoder

Sure.

While it certainly doesn't look or sound good and there probably is something wrong here....

Let's face it, you still have nothing which concretely proves something wrong was done. Period.

Add the definitive proof. Let me know when you do that. Until then this thread is just like the rest... Circumstantial and inconclusive.

Kevin

As its been mentioned before, multiple times, one of the benefits of these threads is to point out suspicious activities by consignors/sellers/bidders/etc. and to educate and notify other board members of potentially damaging actions by the parties involved. What the other board members choose to do with this information is their own choice in the end I suppose.

Personally, when it comes to my money and who I choose to do business with, I am the jury, judge and executioner. End of story. I don't operate under the idea that someone is innocent until proven guilty in my personal dealings with others. I operate under the idea that if something seems suspicious to me, then I must be provided with definitive proof that something nefarious did NOT happen before I will reinstate my trust in a company/business/individual.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by markf31

As its been mentioned before, multiple times, one of the benefits of these threads is to point out suspicious activities by consignors/sellers/bidders/etc. and to educate and notify other board members of potentially damaging actions by the parties involved. What the other board members choose to do with this information is their own choice in the end I suppose.

Personally, when it comes to my money and who I choose to do business with, I am the jury, judge and executioner. End of story. I don't operate under the idea that someone is innocent until proven guilty in my personal dealings with others. I operate under the idea that if something seems suspicious to me, then I must be provided with definitive proof that something nefarious did NOT happen before I will reinstate my trust in a company/business/individual.

Mark, eloquently put. I think the moral of this and other similar threads is that you can bring the idiot to water but you can't make him drink.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by thehoodedcoder

Sure.

While it certainly doesn't look or sound good and there probably is something wrong here....

Let's face it, you still have nothing which concretely proves something wrong was done. Period.

Add the definitive proof. Let me know when you do that. Until then this thread is just like the rest... Circumstantial and inconclusive.

Kevin

I understand that you only do class action law and not traditional civil or criminal cases but you do understand this isn't a court of law, correct? That we're not a sitting grand jury examining evidence and sending out subpoenas, right? That all we could have at this point is circumstantial evidence and that all we are trying to establish is that "there probably is something wrong here"? No 'definitive proof' can be established short of a confession or Rick allowing me to see his bidding and consignment records, neither of which will happen. I suspected Rick owned the Mathewson ball which was obviously shilled and Rick claimed he did own it -- before it was sold privately to some unknown buyer who later rejected the ball and supposedly put it back in a Probstein auction. And yet the ball was shilled in this Probstein auction at the price Rick paid for it in REA and not the higher price the unknown buyer got it for from Rick. That's circumstantial evidence enough for me to believe that the auction stinks. Maybe you pretend lawyer types need more definitive proof; I don't.

[thehoodedcoder]

Originally Posted by calvindog

I understand that you only do class action law and not traditional civil or criminal cases but you do understand this isn't a court of law, correct? That we're not a sitting grand jury examining evidence and sending out subpoenas, right? That all we could have at this point is circumstantial evidence and that all we are trying to establish is that "there probably is something wrong here"? No 'definitive proof' can be established short of a confession or Rick allowing me to see his bidding and consignment records, neither of which will happen. I suspected Rick owned the Mathewson ball which was obviously shilled and Rick claimed he did own it -- before it was sold privately to some unknown buyer who later rejected the ball and supposedly put it back in a Probstein auction. And yet the ball was shilled in this Probstein auction at the price Rick paid for it in REA and not the higher price the unknown buyer got it for from Rick. That's circumstantial evidence enough for me to believe that the auction stinks. Maybe you pretend lawyer types need more definitive proof; I don't.

Ok good. You won your case. How many years in monopoly jail are you going to sentence him to?

Kevin

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by thehoodedcoder

Ok good. You won your case. How many years in monopoly jail are you going to sentence him to?

Kevin

If Rick wasn't concerned at all about what is occurring on this and similar threads, why do you think he called my office last night and emailed me out of the blue about this auction? Can you possibly be as dumb as you appear?

[thehoodedcoder]

Originally Posted by calvindog

If Rick wasn't concerned at all about what is occurring on this and similar threads, why do you think he called my office last night and emailed me out of the blue about this auction? Can you possibly be as dumb as you appear?

I'm dumb huh?

Maybe to pacify you? Is it working for you?

If he was why wouldn't he take all of the suggestions being handed out to him?

Maybe do one or two of them with the little click of a check box and 15 seconds it could be done. Surely he has 15 seconds to spare and implement our suggestions.

I suspect you have absolutely nothing to say to that. Right?

Kevin

[jhs5120]

Originally Posted by calvindog

If Rick wasn't concerned at all about what is occurring on this and similar threads, why do you think he called my office last night and emailed me out of the blue about this auction? Can you possibly be as dumb as you appear?

Well, I don't know if it is completely "out of the blue" if you go on a public forum and very openly accuse him of fraud and complain that he is not getting back to you.

Good to see he followed up.

[thehoodedcoder]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

Well, I don't know if it is completely "out of the blue" if you go on a public forum and very openly accuse him of fraud and complain that he is not getting back to you.

Good to see he followed up.

Right. He put a bandaid on it for Jeff. Stuck that pacifier right in his mouth. Handled the one issue with eyes on it and said what was needed.

And I'm the dumb one. Lol.

You will keep getting the pacifier until you have something concrete...guy.


Kevin

[atx840]

Kevin, what exactly have you done to help clean up the hobby?

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by thehoodedcoder

Right. He put a bandaid on it for Jeff. Stuck that pacifier right in his mouth. Handled the one issue with eyes on it and said what was needed.

And I'm the dumb one. Lol.

You will keep getting the pacifier until you have something concrete...guy.


Kevin

Of course you're the dumb one -- is it not clear to you that I don't believe a single word that Rick says? LOL. Christ, you're even dumber than I thought. And considering that I have a track record in this hobby of dealing with fraudsters somehow you can assume that I'm not leaving the situation alone.

Good luck with your "initiatives." LOL. Good God.