T206 Lionel Carter vs. Harris Collection

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by sb1

There is a large disparity in the history of the cards of the two esteemed collectors. One collected/trade/bought cards in an era when the cards were sometimes cut down to fit pages. The other bought cards when they were trimmed to deceive.

The former are graded as such, the later not so much.

Pretty much sums it up.

Agree completely. First of all, I've never even thought of the Carter collection as SGC-centric (they may be, but it's never something I've consciously noticed). The Harris collection is largely filled with (and obviously so) trimmed cards. To suggest that "some" of the Harris collection are "probably questionable" and the Carter collection to be "a lot ... questionable" is simply not true -- the percentage of good Carter cards is high, the percentage of good Harris cards is low. And this has nothing to do with SGC v. PSA, nothing at all.

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Agree completely. First of all, I've never even thought of the Carter collection as SGC-centric (they may be, but it's never something I've consciously noticed). The Harris collection is largely filled with (and obviously so) trimmed cards. To suggest that "some" of the Harris collection are "probably questionable" and the Carter collection to be "a lot ... questionable" is simply not true -- the percentage of good Carter cards is high, the percentage of good Harris cards is low. And this has nothing to do with SGC v. PSA, nothing at all.

Jeff- In your opinion, most of the Harris cards are not good? Is that what you are saying?

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Jeff- In your opinion, most of the Harris cards are not good? Is that what you are saying?

Unfortunately, yes. And I have no axe to grind on this one; while I represent Dave Forman, I have thousands of costly PSA graded cards. The Harris cards are often dismissed as trimmed upon a two second glance from 50 feet away. And the graders had to see this just as clearly as we all have on this board.

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Unfortunately, yes. And I have no axe to grind on this one; while I represent Dave Forman, I have thousands of costly PSA graded cards. The Harris cards are often dismissed as trimmed upon a two second glance from 50 feet away. And the graders had to see this just as clearly as we all have on this board.

Jeff- I understand, thanks alot for your candor.....

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Unfortunately, yes. And I have no axe to grind on this one; while I represent Dave Forman, I have thousands of costly PSA graded cards. The Harris cards are often dismissed as trimmed upon a two second glance from 50 feet away. And the graders had to see this just as clearly as we all have on this board.

And therefore what, they graded them anyhow for the publicity? As a favor?

[Cardboard Junkie]

Maybe psa was "bullied" into grading them.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

And therefore what, they graded them anyhow for the publicity? As a favor?

Who knows? But the Harris cards are so obviously trimmed that no loupe is required for inspection--just eyeballs that work.

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Who knows? But the Harris cards are so obviously trimmed that no loupe is required for inspection--just eyeballs that work.

Jeff- you're making me a tad nervous as I have several high grade Harris T206s. Most I have seen with a loupe, with no obvious issues... Hope you are dead wrong on this, but who knows??....I have sold a couple that I didn't feel so warm about for what it's worth...

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Jeff- you're making me a tad nervous as I have several high grade Harris T206s. Most I have seen with a loupe, with no obvious issues... Hope you are dead wrong on this, but who knows??....I have sold a couple that I didn't feel so warm about for what it's worth...

I'm not saying they all are trimmed but as Scott pointed out, the Harris cards have a well-deserved reputation.

[Steve D]

I found the article:

http://haulsofshame.com/blog/

Go to #10 not quite 1/3 of the way down the page (below the pictures of the Wagner and Plank. It mentions Kirk Harris by name.

Steve

Who cares its just a hobby

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by Steve D

I found the article:

http://haulsofshame.com/blog/

Go to #10 not quite 1/3 of the way down the page (below the pictures of the Wagner and Plank. It mentions Kirk Harris by name.

Steve

Thanks Steve....

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Who knows? But the Harris cards are so obviously trimmed that no loupe is required for inspection--just eyeballs that work.

Need a motive for a crime....