Question regarding top cards on cellos -1979

[Bestdj777]

Deleted. Don't want to get involved.

[jhs5120]

Okay, since Jose is not answering and we still have "doubters" I am going to put this whole thing to rest.

Here is the 1972 Topps Terry Bradshaw card in question sold through NESC. Notice the two very distinct stains on the bottom two corners.






Later a pack with a similar 1972 Bradshaw card showing was sold under the user name "elsipep" (Jose) on 3/28/12 (according to VCP). The man who purchased the pack later suspected it was resealed and subsequently sold the pack with a disclaimer (please read the item discription).



Here is a close-up of that pack. Notice the same distinct stains on the bottom left and right corners, the same off centering and the same tilt? I will let everyone reach there own conclusions on this one.




Jose, I know you said that you never sold a pack that you resealed, so I am naturally having a difficult time understanding this whole thing. Could you please explain to us what is going on here? I'm sure there is a very logical explanation. I don't want anyone to jump to any conclusions before you get your say.

[jhs5120]

Hopefully we see a reply soon...

Also, I just noticed that the pack was recently sold in the most recent Memory Lane Auction: Link

[bnorth]

All I will say is there is no way those are the same 2 cards. Yes they have a similar stain and centering but not the same card.
Edited to add I was wrong. To me the bottom left of the cards looked to have a different yellow offset compared to the black border line.

[jhs5120]

Originally Posted by bnorth

All I will say is there is no way those are the same 2 cards. Yes they have a similar stain and centering but not the same card.

It is the same card. I should have put in the disclaimer that the second scan (of the pack), was from a PWCC auction and the color/clarity may have been "enhanced".

[pepis]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

Okay, since Jose is not answering and we still have "doubters" I am going to put this whole thing to rest.

Here is the 1972 Topps Terry Bradshaw card in question sold through NESC. Notice the two very distinct stains on the bottom two corners.






Later a pack with a similar 1972 Bradshaw card showing was sold under the user name "elsipep" (Jose) on 3/28/12 (according to VCP). The man who purchased the pack later suspected it was resealed and subsequently sold the pack with a disclaimer (please read the item discription).



Here is a close-up of that pack. Notice the same distinct stains on the bottom left and right corners, the same off centering and the same tilt? I will let everyone reach there own conclusions on this one.




Jose, I know you said that you never sold a pack that you resealed, so I am naturally having a difficult time understanding this whole thing. Could you please explain to us what is going on here? I'm sure there is a very logical explanation. I don't want anyone to jump to any conclusions before you get your say.

Yes That pack is on the list of packs a had made not only the stains,
in the back there is clear signs of being resealed on the white paint,
and it got by the expert, who ever owns it now should file for the PSA
guarantee! and i'll be glad to testify that I had it made.

[jhs5120]

Originally Posted by pepis

Yes That pack is on the list of packs a had made not only the stains,
in the back there is clear signs of being resealed on the white paint,
and it got by the expert, who ever owns it now should file for the PSA
guarantee! and i'll be glad to testify that I had it made.

Thank you, that is exactly what we all thought. I quoted you to prevent it from being changed.

Jason

[pepis]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

Thank you, that is exactly what we all thought. I quoted you to prevent it from being changed.

Jason

No need to change it Jason when i started this venture my goal was to bring
this problem to the front! i have an incredible amount of data on the subject
from before i even submitted a pack for grading to PSA most members on the
the CU have purchased bad packs from each other, some of the sold them
when i alerted them via email, and some like you sold a bad pack without
knowing, one particular member has sold a very large amount and i have a
screen-shot of many of them! all i been trying to do is show how deep this corruption is when i started this i had no idea how BAD it really is i myself
have learned a lot the past 2 and half years, documented everything from
the beginning! and started with this note i wrote before i ever submitted
one single pack it all started when i noticed many questionable seals then
i learned the pattern problems.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Jose,

I'm not understanding. You said that you never sold any pack that you fabricated. However, this clearly shows you did sell a fabricated pack.

Why did you sell this fabricated pack?

[ALR-bishop]

"Dishonesty does not bother me, I just wonder why anyone believed me in the first place"....Jack Handey