T206 Wagner partial back. Really Huggins & Scott?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by wonkaticket

There you go, thanks Andy.So I did double dip dang it! I will raise this question of folks since I started a non-needed thread.

At some point shouldn’t an auction house make some effort to limit stuff like this? I expect this stuff on eBay from some guy who has a few cards trying to make the most out of nothing. I don’t however expect to see this from a reputable auction house. Maybe that’s just me.

The market will decide.

[wonkaticket]

Originally Posted by Leon

The market will decide.

Leon, I disagree with you on this one, well half disagree.

While I agree the market will decide to a point. I think some accountability should be with the purveyors of the merchandise also. With a hobby that has newcomers who may not be aware of the nuances of certain issues and why something like the above isn’t a stretch but an almost total leap of blind faith for a myriad of reasons.

I think the first line of defense should be auctions houses looking to protect the hobby they benefit from. Not just playing a blind role and letting some sucker swallow a pill with the “hey we did our part or it’s not for us to decide” attitude. Bottom line if this was a guy on eBay or the BST we would be laughing and poking fun. For me there’s enough hobby knowledge around that most of us would never make such a claim about this card.

In the end for me personally I see these types of things as price tag in someone’s integrity and I see that H&S price starts at 5k opening bid. That’s just my view and respect others who may disagree with me.

Cheers,

John

[barrysloate]

Worth a fifty cent premium.

[Mikehealer]

Nothing more than two snake oil salesmen(AH and consignor) trying to lure someone into buying their venom.

[h2oya311]

How embarrassing!!

I love this line...try to make sense of this nonsense: "But it cannot be reasonably said that this is not possibly a partial Honus Wagner."

Yeah, we'll anything's possible, possibly!!

[wonkaticket]

Originally Posted by h2oya311

How embarrassing!!

I love this line...try to make sense of this nonsense: "But it cannot be reasonably said that this is not possibly a partial Honus Wagner."

Yeah, we'll anything's possible, possibly!!

Derek, agree funny stuff.

If anyone would like to buy this card for 5k it may be possible it was next to Wagner and it may be possible that it has a partial Wagner back. My integrity is also for sale today and my integrity includes free shipping PayPal is ok.

[atx840]

Originally Posted by wonkaticket

My integrity is also for sale today and my integrity includes free shipping PayPal is ok.

PM sent, will you accept PayPal gift/friends?

[Ease]

Originally Posted by atx840

PM sent, will you accept PayPal gift/friends?

Look at you guys, still trying to save a buck on the sale of Wonka's integrity. Tsk, tsk. You realize that leaves you no buyer protection right Chris?

[brianp-beme]

The back is off-center, so ideally this should reflect negatively upon its ending price when compared to a similiar, well-centered back example. Perhaps the auctioneer should emphasize this defect more in their lot description so as to minimize the consigner's and auction house's take on this card.

Brian

[Leon]

Originally Posted by wonkaticket

Leon, I disagree with you on this one, well half disagree.

While I agree the market will decide to a point. I think some accountability should be with the purveyors of the merchandise also. With a hobby that has newcomers who may not be aware of the nuances of certain issues and why something like the above isn’t a stretch but an almost total leap of blind faith for a myriad of reasons.

I think the first line of defense should be auctions houses looking to protect the hobby they benefit from. Not just playing a blind role and letting some sucker swallow a pill with the “hey we did our part or it’s not for us to decide” attitude. Bottom line if this was a guy on eBay or the BST we would be laughing and poking fun. For me there’s enough hobby knowledge around that most of us would never make such a claim about this card.

In the end for me personally I see these types of things as price tag in someone’s integrity and I see that H&S price starts at 5k opening bid. That’s just my view and respect others who may disagree with me.

Cheers,

John

If a newcomer spends 5k on this type of card then they should be able to handle whatever comes their way. If a used car salesman says the car was only driven by a little ole lady on Sundays...then the engine falls out going out of the used car parking lot, whose fault is that? It's called puffery and is part of sales. Caveat Emptor. And just because it's not on our BST is it really getting a free pass?

[ullmandds]

That's BS!!! Is the world of BB card auctions becoming the wild wild west...it always has to be caveat emptor. Puffery is utilized in sales to sell things that can't stand alone...just like in this situation!

I should rephrase...Goodwins ridiculous writeups are puffery...neverending spewage not related to the item for sale...but this example is desception...and is not the same as puffery!

[bobbyw8469]

And just because it's not on our BST is it really getting a free pass?

True Leon. We are ripping that auction to shreds. However, some PT Barnum subject will surely bid on it. We are talking about the same pool of people that bid on a 1952 Toops Mantle #311 rookie card (SGC 9)!!!

[wonkaticket]

Sorry Chris moved to our Fall Auction.



Also for you fans of T206 will be a rare “Blank Piedmont miscut Wagner partial back” this rare card was just recently discovered. Having missed its printing of it’s soon to be miscut Piedmont back which naturally would have been Wagner. It may very well be the only blank miscut partial Wagner back card in the hobby. Stay tuned.



Catalogs and reminder emails go out next week.

[g_vezina_c55]

Lolol

funny Wonka

[oldjudge]

After carefully checking my duplicate Old Judges I would like to announce to the world that I have what might be, not one, but several cards with partial Anson in Uniform backs. This is difficult to confirm, since all Old Judge backs are blank, but I just have a good feeling on these. My local palm reader felt a spirit confirmation from Cap that these cards may be his. Please send all bids quickly--they will not last long! LOL what a joke!

[wolf441]

Originally Posted by wonkaticket

Sorry Chris moved to our Fall Auction.




Also for you fans of T206 will be a rare “Blank Piedmont miscut Wagner partial back” this rare card was just recently discovered. Having missed its printing of it’s soon to be miscut Piedmont back which naturally would have been Wagner. It may very well be the only blank miscut partial Wagner back card in the hobby. Stay tuned.



Catalogs and reminder emails go out next week.

That has to be the post of the year!!! Thanks for brighting up what was a dreary Monday, John

[Vol]

Originally Posted by wolf441

That has to be the post of the year!!! Thanks for brighting up what was a dreary Monday, John

+1 Agree!!

[atx840]

Originally Posted by wonkaticket

Now this would be worth 5k.

[CW]

Originally Posted by atx840

Now this would be worth 5k.

HAha! Nice one, Chris!

Man, if that card actually existed I'd imagine Johnny's head would literally explode from the excitement.

[wonkaticket]

Originally Posted by Leon

If a newcomer spends 5k on this type of card then they should be able to handle whatever comes their way. If a used car salesman says the car was only driven by a little ole lady on Sundays...then the engine falls out going out of the used car parking lot, whose fault is that? It's called puffery and is part of sales. Caveat Emptor. And just because it's not on our BST is it really getting a free pass?

No Leon saying the wine has hints of oak and caramel with subtle traces and after tones of tobacco is puffery. Claiming the bottle of wine may have been served at the last supper and may have been used to fill Jesus’s glass is called misleading fabrication storytelling and not sales.

While I agree there has to be some responsibility with the buyer. The purveyor has a responsibility in this transaction as well. As an owner of an auction house and collector I would hope you would agree appears not.

The above car analogy also outlines more of a fraud than puffery. If a car dealer is telling folks the car is gem as the engine falls out when you drive away he or she was hiding something from the seller. Telling you the chicks dig the 89 Buick Regal is a puffery although mine never got me laid can I sue?

It’s clear you and I have different views on what is considered salesmanship and misleading information to take advantage of someone. You know many of us gave Goldin some serious crap myself included for his Shop At Home days how is this Huggins lot any different I wonder?

Cheers,

John

[ScottFandango]

is huggins and scott still associated with House of Cards in Maryland for tax benefits?

[bobbyw8469]

In my opinion, this is just as bad as those black gentlemen trying to pass of that fake Wagner rookie card as real. OK - we get it, this card is situated beside the Wagner on the sheet. And I can see a case if it was the front of the card, and you saw proof that the Wagner card was there (ie - half of Honus's face). But there is nothing here. Someone is trying to turn a $30 card into a $5,000 card, plain and simple. Next thing you know, Bob Cerv's rookie cards will be worth $50,000 because he was Mantle's roomate.

[yanks12025]

Has anyone been able to find a single other example – of a miscut or misprinted – Bowerman - or Brown (portrait) – that contains a part of the card that could be Wagner?

38 days until the auction. Long time to look.

[HRBAKER]

Hysterical leap IMO and at a minimum puffery.
Tells me what they think about the average T206 "oddity" collector.
But OTOH I am rarely surprised at anything in any AH description anymore, way past that.

Reminds me of an ad I saw in SCD many moons ago; "1952 Topps Mickey Mantle Error card - Blank Front and Back