PSA-A Cautionary Tale!

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Guys,

Am I the only one that doesn't believe that Kevin really called Joe?

Nice job, Kevin. You had me going for a while.

I think he called, but that Joe asked him to treat it confidentially, which he is honoring as he should.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I think he called, but that Joe asked him to treat it confidentially, which he is honoring as he should.

I don't know, Peter. x2drich2000 made a very good point. Would a CEO of a company really discuss a confidential matter like that with someone who had no involvement at all - especially a matter that could have had legal consequences?

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

I don't know, Peter. x2drich2000 made a very good point. Would a CEO of a company really discuss a confidential matter like that with someone who had no involvement at all - especially a matter that could have had legal consequences?

Are you f***** stupid or what?

[ullmandds]

kids...cover your ears!

[conor912]

Another signature net54 car crash.....

[Rob D.]

Originally Posted by conor912

Another signature net54 car crash.....

For some real fun, come back tomorrow and read all the edited posts.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Rob D.

For some real fun, come back tomorrow and read all the edited posts.

F--- off.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Are you f***** stupid or what?

Only for believing you

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

I don't know, Peter. x2drich2000 made a very good point. Would a CEO of a company really discuss a confidential matter like that with someone who had no involvement at all - especially a matter that could have had legal consequences?

Matt posted the whole thing here. He has no expectations of privacy about it, obviously. I don't see any issue with Joe discussing it with someone who calls and asks.

[calvindog]

I don't blame Joe for not posting anything on the board about this: it's his call. PSA gets bashed everyday here and if he doesn't want to put his finger into one of the nine holes in the dike, it's his choice. He also surely knows that whatever he writes out here will be dissected for days to come.

The OP seems like a reasonable guy and isn't bashing Joe all that much -- he's obviously pissed, for reasons that are PSA's fault and not his. I think PSA handled it mostly well (I'm discounting anything that Joe is alleged to have said on the phone). My only problem is that if Joe is so hot to talk to anyone on the board about what occurred, why would he ban the OP on the CU boards? No discussion there but plenty of discussion on the phone? How many businesses are bashed publicly without any censorship? Hell, if you buy a camera on the Canon website they allow their customers to blast the hell out of a product for everyone to see. So do many other companies. Why is Joe so damned thin-skinned that he would immediately shut down any opposing public viewpoint? It smacks of paranoia and lends credence to the claim that PSA has something to hide. PSA made a mistake -- it happens. Not the end of the world.

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by calvindog

I don't blame Joe for not posting anything on the board about this: it's his call. PSA gets bashed everyday here and if he doesn't want to put his finger into one of the nine holes in the dyke, it's his choice. He also surely knows that whatever he writes out here will be dissected for days to come.

The OP seems like a reasonable guy and isn't bashing Joe all that much -- he's obviously pissed, for reasons that are PSA's fault and not his. I think PSA handled it mostly well (I'm discounting anything that Joe is alleged to have said on the phone). My only problem is that if Joe is so hot to talk to anyone on the board about what occurred, why would he ban the OP on the CU boards? No discussion there but plenty of discussion on the phone? How many businesses are bashed publicly without any censorship? Hell, if you buy a camera on the Canon website they allow their customers to blast the hell out of a product for everyone to see. So do many other companies. Why is Joe so damned thin-skinned that he would immediately shut down any opposing public viewpoint? It smacks of paranoia and lends credence to the claim that PSA has something to hide. PSA made a mistake -- it happens. Not the end of the world.

Half the people bashing PSA on these boards came over here to do it because they can no longer post on the PSA boards. Trying to silence the complaints with banishment isn't working for them.

[pepis]

Originally Posted by calvindog

I don't blame Joe for not posting anything on the board about this: it's his call. PSA gets bashed everyday here and if he doesn't want to put his finger into one of the nine holes in the dike, it's his choice. He also surely knows that whatever he writes out here will be dissected for days to come.

The OP seems like a reasonable guy and isn't bashing Joe all that much -- he's obviously pissed, for reasons that are PSA's fault and not his. I think PSA handled it mostly well (I'm discounting anything that Joe is alleged to have said on the phone). My only problem is that if Joe is so hot to talk to anyone on the board about what occurred, why would he ban the OP on the CU boards? No discussion there but plenty of discussion on the phone? How many businesses are bashed publicly without any censorship? Hell, if you buy a camera on the Canon website they allow their customers to blast the hell out of a product for everyone to see. So do many other companies. Why is Joe so damned thin-skinned that he would immediately shut down any opposing public viewpoint? It smacks of paranoia and lends credence to the claim that PSA has something to hide. PSA made a mistake -- it happens. Not the end of the world.

Guilty feelings to cover-up the whatever wrong doing might've been.

[wonkaticket]

We all "know" or have been "told" how much more super high grade and super under graded PSA cards sell for. So I'm always shocked how often they have to be bumped for price reductions via the BST.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by wonkaticket

we all "know" or have been "told" how much more super high grade and super under graded psa cards sell for. So i'm always shocked how often they have to be bumped for price reductions via the bst.

lol

[markf31]

Originally Posted by calvindog

The OP seems like a reasonable guy and isn't bashing Joe all that much -- he's obviously pissed, for reasons that are PSA's fault and not his. I think PSA handled it mostly well (I'm discounting anything that Joe is alleged to have said on the phone). My only problem is that if Joe is so hot to talk to anyone on the board about what occurred, why would he ban the OP on the CU boards? No discussion there but plenty of discussion on the phone? How many businesses are bashed publicly without any censorship? Hell, if you buy a camera on the Canon website they allow their customers to blast the hell out of a product for everyone to see. So do many other companies. Why is Joe so damned thin-skinned that he would immediately shut down any opposing public viewpoint? It smacks of paranoia and lends credence to the claim that PSA has something to hide. PSA made a mistake -- it happens. Not the end of the world.

Great points Jeff! In my mind Joe's response or reply whether written or verbal at this point in time matters not at all, not to me personally. In the vast world of the consumer market, how many other companies would go so far out of their way to not only cut all ties with a consumer, lose future business and beyond all that try to censor that consumer, over what amounts to a conversation and exchange that occurred over the phone?

These actions by PSA, regardless of what Matt may have said to Joe (short of personal threats or threats of violence which Matt obviously did not make) should be unacceptable for ANY company.