PSA-A Cautionary Tale!

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

I still would like to hear Joe's side of this, some of you PSA haters may be a little surprised.....

I think everyone would be surprised to hear Joe's side on any public issue brought out against PSA since he publicly stays quiet about everything.

[HRBAKER]

A party makes a claim about PSA on the board. Another party calls PSA and they have a different take on the whole affair than the one which portrayed them in a negative fashion. Shocking.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by HRBAKER

A party makes a claim about PSA on the board. Another party calls PSA and they have a different take on the whole affair than the one which portrayed them in a negative fashion. Shocking.

But we are not told the substance of the different take -- even better.

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by HRBAKER

A party makes a claim about PSA on the board. Another party calls PSA and they have a different take on the whole affair than the one which portrayed them in a negative fashion. Shocking.

Are you people living in a fantasy world?? Joe Orlando doesn't give a shit about what you think...He did, however, offer anyone a true statement of what happened in the phone conversation.....What else do you want? Oh, I know, witch hunt time.....

[HRBAKER]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Are you people living in a fantasy world?? Joe Orlando doesn't give a shit about what you think...He did, however, offer anyone a true statement of what happened in the phone conversation.....

Kevin,

No, no fantasy here. My point is that I would expect them to have a different perspective than the one which portrayed them negatively. And, I don't give a shit who gives a shit frankly.

Jeff

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by HRBAKER

Kevin,

No, no fantasy here. My point is that I would expect them to have a different perspective than the one which portrayed them negatively. And, I don't give a shit who gives a shit frankly.

Jeff

Jeff- no offense, but how in the hell do you not know Matt is lying? Where is the line drawn?

[HRBAKER]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Jeff- no offense, but how in the hell do you not know Matt is lying? Where is the line drawn?

Kevin,

Can you read (no offense)? Where did I say who was lying. I said it was "shocking" that they would see the situation differently than the OP.

Jeff

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by HRBAKER

Kevin,

Can you read (no offense)? Where did I say who was lying. I said it was "shocking" that they would see the situation differently than the OP.

Jeff

I read fine, remember, I'm not the one from Kansas....

[CMIZ5290]

Maybe I mispoke...Yes, Joe obviously cares about what people think, but this is ridculous. Why is there so much hatred against PSA, based upon one word from someone on Net54?? Maybe he's pissed??

[bobbyw8469]

To me, the big issue here is favoritism and conflict of interest. A big part of the crack and submit game is the risk involved with damaging the card during the crack out, and the risk of potentially getting a lower grade. Factor in higher grading fee's for high value cards and crack and submit can be a risky game.

In this case, the OP had a relationship with the President of PSA and because of that relationship he received favorable treatment. There was no risk of a downgrade because PSA had the slabs. PSA was going to crack the cards and assume the risk (realized) of a damaged card. Furthermore the regular fee's and process were bypassed. I get why Joe was pissed with the OP's reaction - he was doing the OP a huge favour.

This just re-enforces that retail submitter's like me have no chance, the game is rigged. My cards need to go on separate orders, with separate shipping and they are handled by a random grader.

The OP's cards are graded for free and handled personally by the President of the company.

I'm not into all the conspiracy theories that pop up on these boards but the grading process is far too loose This wouldn't be an issue if there wasn't so much money involved.

Frankly I'm amazed that the President of PSA is this involved in the day to day grading of cards... in this case it bit him in the ass, he took on a stupid amount of risk for no obvious upside. How many submitter's are there out there like the OP that have a relationship with Joe and get favours? The process lacks integrity

Ding Ding Ding!! We have a winner!

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Are you people living in a fantasy world?? Joe Orlando doesn't give a shit about what you think...He did, however, offer anyone a true statement of what happened in the phone conversation.....What else do you want? Oh, I know, witch hunt time.....

But you are constrained from saying what his version is??

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

But you are constrained from saying what his version is??

Peter- why dont you grow a set and call him at the number I provided? I promise he won't hurt your feelings....

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Peter- why dont you grow a set and call him at the number I provided? I promise he won't hurt your feelings....

I will take that as an admission Joe asked you not to say anything. Typical. Everything has to be done in the dark.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I will take that as an admission Joe asked you not to say anything. Typical. Everything has to be done in the dark.

That's the way I take it too as he knows nobody will really bother to call. If he really had information to contradict Matt's story, he would post it.

[ullmandds]

so you call Joe...and he tells you his side of the story. why is his story any more believable than the posters?

Has Joe shown himself to be a man of integrity in the past? I'm not so sure?

Now we have a he said...she said scenario. If I had integrity...I'd come on the board and state my peace...but that's just me.

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

But you are constrained from saying what his version is??

Damn Peter I forgot, Joe is to busy bid shilling.....My bad

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Damn Peter I forgot, Joe is to busy bid shilling.....My bad

Nice non sequitur, Kevin. You can do better, no?

[ctownboy]

I do not collect graded cards so I do not have a dog in this fight.

I had a very LOOOONG response to this whole mess but I decided to delete it and write something shorter. So, here it is.

If Joe Orlando wants to respond to the OP then why doesn't he just let the OP tell his side of the story on the CU boards and then respond there? Why is the OP allegedly banned from PSA?

I know MANY times in the past that I have read on these boards where someone has had a problem with PSA and they have gone to the CU boards to air their complaints and what happens? They are banned from the CU boards, banned from PSA and their posts on the CU boards are deleted.

If that is what has happened to the OP in this situation then WHY should people have to call J. O. to get his side of the story? Wouldn't it be MUCH EASIER and MUCH LESS time consuming for J. O. to come here and tell HIS side of the story? Or, better yet, do it on the Cu boards?

I mean, I can't imagine the head of a company taking the time out of his day and/or night fielding calls about THE SAME THING when a much easier option would be to just make one e mail response, no matter how long it is and be done with it.

David