neat bid history

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by Leon

Kevin, I politely disagree. I think as long as these things go on we should point them out. At least it calls attention to the issue and doesn't sweep it under the rug. If you were a scammer you wouldn't like people calling attention to it, would you? I applaud Peter and those who call out alleged fraudulent situations.

Leon- agreed...but at some point, what is the point? If nothing gets done, then what is the use? Some of these people have been talked about forever on this board...Probstein, Brent Huigens, etc.... So what is the solution? I can assure you, they are going to keep on rocking and rolling profit wise....

[Leon]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Leon- agreed...but at some point, what is the point? If nothing gets done, then what is the use? Some of these people have been talked about forever on this board...Probstein, Brent Huigens, etc.... So what is the solution? I can assure you, they are going to keep on rocking and rolling profit wise....

I don't know the solution but I hope it keeps getting talked about. If it gets enough attention called to it then eventually something usually gets done, or changed. I hope the people that get attention called to them will change their ways. If they keep seeing their name in lights they just may.

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by Leon

I don't know the solution but I hope it keeps getting talked about. If it gets enough attention called to it then eventually something usually gets done, or changed. I hope the people that get attention called to them will change their ways. If they keep seeing their name in lights they just may.

Leon- with all due respect, I hope you are right....But I sincerely doubt it....

[Leon]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Leon- with all due respect, I hope you are right....But I sincerely doubt it....

Kevin- It seems like I am saying this more and more lately....but, what I tell folks is that even if what we do doesn't pan out, at least we can hold our head high that we tried. We have to keep trying!! We must Keep shining the light...

[brewing]

I know it has changed my bidding. I don't bid on auctions anymore from certain sellers. It's been tough recently, because they had several cards I'm looking for.

[ctownboy]

To those who say posting on these boards isn't getting anything done about these problems, my response is just think of all the new people who come to these boards and read about this crap and learn that it is going on. Just because the scammers aren't being arrested, tried, convicted and imprisoned doesn't mean there isn't some good that comes out of these posts.

I can see a person (especially a young person) being interested in pre - war and/or graded cards getting taken by one or two of these scammers and then decide to give this whole hobby up and never come back. How much does THAT hurt the ability for us to sell OUR stuff when the time comes?

On the flip side, I can imagine a person wanting to collect pre - war and/or graded cards and they find this forum, read these threads and they get educated on this crap and don't fall for it. They then feel better about themselves and WANT to stay engaged in this hobby.

Finally, for those who say they are tired of Peter posting about this stuff and why doesn't HE do something about it. The questions are, 1) why do you continue to read and post a response if you don't like what Peter is writing and 2) why don't YOU do something about it?

By some people's responses, it sounds as if Peter is some pee on that is just shouting into the wind while they are a heavy hitter that could get something done IF they wanted to. Well, either get something done to stop or curb these messes OR stop complaining about guys like Peter who are bringing these situations to our attention.

David

[Peter_Spaeth]

For the record, I am not just pissing into the wind for the hell of it. I have spoken about hobby issues with law enforcement, and I have been assured that law enforcement reads the Board and that posting here is one way to bring matters to their attention. Now granted that is no assurance that anything will result from it, but even if it's tilting against windmills, it's better than being a sheep.

[the-illini]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Leon- agreed...but at some point, what is the point? If nothing gets done, then what is the use? Some of these people have been talked about forever on this board...Probstein, Brent Huigens, etc.... So what is the solution? I can assure you, they are going to keep on rocking and rolling profit wise....

I am admittedly not a huge buyer, but what I have learned about Probstein and PWCC - from my own observations and the information posted on this board - has led me to decide to never do business in any way with those two.

Sharing this information matters.

[HRBAKER]

Originally Posted by the-illini

I am admittedly not a huge buyer, but what I have learned about Probstein and PWCC - from my own observations and the information posted on this board - has led me to decide to never do business in any way with those two.

Sharing this information matters.

That makes at least 2 of us!

[Iron Horse]

If I see a lot which has a bidder/bidders with bid retraction/s I don't bother to bid. It has changed my bidding ways on eBay for sure. The only thing which scares me more are the auctions where we can't see this going on. I hope other auction houses are taking notice & cleaning up their acts if need be.
I applaud those who bring these things to our board & for us to read.
Thank you

[egbeachley]

If this bothers you, then do something. Specifically, make a large bid early. Watch it get shilled to above your maximum and then retracted to just below it. Then do your own retraction with 12 hours left (the latest allowed) and watch the shiller get stuck with it and pay fees on the inflated price. Works best with consignors.

[ScottFandango]

Originally Posted by the-illini

I am admittedly not a huge buyer, but what I have learned about Probstein and PWCC - from my own observations and the information posted on this board - has led me to decide to never do business in any way with those two.

Sharing this information matters.

this hobby may have a problem, because those 2 guys are the biggest sellers of pre war stuff on ebay and its not even close....

[slipk1068]

Originally Posted by ScottFandango

this hobby may have a problem, because those 2 guys are the biggest sellers of pre war stuff on ebay and its not even close....

Doesn't mean we can't do our small part in affecting their bottom line.

[Jeffrompa]

Another way Ebay is making everything harder .

[steve B]

Things were a lot more work before Ebay.

Depending on exactly when, there were always odd difficulties. And just as much scamming. Of course, the money was a lot less.

Steve B