PSA-A Cautionary Tale!

[RobertGT]

On thing you can always count on in this board is the constant drumbeat of criticism of collecting styles that are different from our own. You name it: registry collectors, 1980s wax boxes, shiny stuff, high-end rookie cards, those who collect only graded cards, those who collect only PSA, 1950s-60s cards (too common I guess) those who collect only 10s, etc.

With the current state of the hobby - rife with fraud and despicable characters masquerading as dealers - I think we should be happy people collect anything at all. And if they do, just let them be.

I may be a collector of worthless peanut shells. That is my right.

There is no right or wrong, so just let it be and be happy that people are providing business that at one time or another has benefited every single person on this board.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by RobertGT

On thing you can always count on in this board is the constant drumbeat of criticism of collecting styles that are different from our own. You name it: registry collectors, 1980s wax boxes, shiny stuff, high-end rookie cards, those who collect only graded cards, those who collect only PSA, 1950s-60s cards (too common I guess) those who collect only 10s, etc.

With the current state of the hobby - rife with fraud and despicable characters masquerading as dealers - I think we should be happy people collect anything at all. And if they do, just let them be.

I may be a collector of worthless peanut shells. That is my right.

There is no right or wrong, so just let it be and be happy that people are providing business that at one time or another has benefited every single person on this board.

Criticism? I actually barely see any. All I see is people giving opinions. Why is it some people think that an opinion that is different than their own is criticism? I don't understand that.

[Cardboard Junkie]

Hey Matt! Did PSA return your 8.5 flip? and, how much do you want for it?

[RobertGT]

Originally Posted by Leon

Criticism? I actually barely see any. All I see is people giving opinions. Why is it some people think that an opinion that is different than their own is criticism? I don't understand that.

From your previous post, Leon: "IN a registry set, whoever gets the highest numbers on their pieces of paper, collectively, wins. It's not collecting cards. It's competing against friends to get the highest numbers on pieces of paper."

Yes you gave an opinion and absolutely you are entitled to it. But you are also making a sly jab at a registry collector - saying that what he's doing isn't really collecting, but apparently what you are doing is.

Maybe he just really loves sharp, beautiful cards? Same way someone loves an acclaimed painting or the finest automobile made? I am not a registry collector so I don't understand it exactly myself (mostly the cost of it) but I just tire reading about others' collecting styles put down in so many threads.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by RobertGT

From your previous post, Leon: "IN a registry set, whoever gets the highest numbers on their pieces of paper, collectively, wins. It's not collecting cards. It's competing against friends to get the highest numbers on pieces of paper."

Yes you gave an opinion and absolutely you are entitled to it. But you are also making a sly jab at a registry collector - saying that what he's doing isn't really collecting, but apparently what you are doing is.

Maybe he just really loves sharp, beautiful cards? Same way someone loves an acclaimed painting or the finest automobile made? I am not a registry collector so I don't understand it exactly myself (mostly the cost of it) but I just tire reading about others' collecting styles put down in so many threads.

Well, I am not making a sly jab at the registry collectors. So you are wrong. I said it isn't collecting "cards" and I don't believe it is. If you do, fine. I don't. Why is my opinion criticism? Maybe you need to re-analyze the way you perceive others opinions? Maybe it is YOU that has the issue? I truly don't care how people collect but prefer to call it like I see it. I am sure the registry guys have just as much fun as the rest of us. I know some of them and they are cool cats. Maybe you are angry at something else? Have you thought about seeking counseling?

[RobertGT]

Originally Posted by Leon

Well, I am not making a sly jab at the registry collectors. So you are wrong. I said it isn't collecting "cards" and I don't believe it is. If you do, fine. I don't. Why is my opinion criticism? Maybe you need to re-analyze the way you perceive others opinions? Maybe it is YOU that has the issue? I truly don't care how people collect but prefer to call it like I see it. I am sure the registry guys have just as much fun as the rest of us. I know some of them and they are cool cats. Maybe you are angry at something else? Have you thought about seeking counseling?

Really silly, juvenile response. Not worth responding to at all so I won't, other than to say I expected more of the moderator of a great board. Instead of given sound logic, I'm insulted and told to seek counseling. I guess that's not criticism either by your definition.

And I'm having a great day and not angry at all. You were just talking about perceiving others opinions or something? Don't hang yourself with your own noose.

[bobbyw8469]

I didn't see any criticism, and now this thread has gone south! It was really a good one too. Ugh.....I hate this always happens to the good threads!

[RobertGT]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

I didn't see any criticism, and now this thread has gone south! It was really a good one too. Ugh.....I hate this always happens to the good threads!

Bobby, have no worries. I have no intention to post on the thread again. It is a good thread - sorry to derail for a few minutes. Carry on - I've got to run out to my counselor.

[botn]

Originally Posted by RobertGT

Really silly, juvenile response. Not worth responding to at all so I won't, other than to say I expected more of the moderator of a great board. Instead of given sound logic, I'm insulted and told to seek counseling. I guess that's not criticism either by your definition.

And I'm having a great day and not angry at all. You were just talking about perceiving others opinions or something? Don't hang yourself with your own noose.

Rob consider yourself luckey, er... lucky, the last Rob to voice a differing opinion to Leon's resulted in his telling that guy to F-Off.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by botn

Rob consider yourself luckey, er... lucky, the last Rob to voice a differing opinion to Leon's resulted in his telling that guy to F-Off.

From what I was told, Why don't you go shill some more of your auctions?

[smtjoy]

Interesting thread.

I know a coin dealer who submitted a 4K coin 65 times at over $100 a pop walk thru, on the 65th try the coin got the grade he felt it deserved and became a 45k coin......

[CMIZ5290]

I still would like to hear Joe's side of this, some of you PSA haters may be a little surprised.....

[ullmandds]

kevin...please...let us know Joe's side of the story...I'd love to hear it...but I highly doubt we ever will.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

I still would like to hear Joe's side of this, some of you PSA haters may be a little surprised.....

I would only be surprised if Joe actually responded. Kevin, Joe will handle this problem like they do all their other problems - just sweep it under the rug and hope it goes away.

When have you ever seen PSA handle a problem head-on on an open forum? Come on, you don't have to be a PSA hater to know that is how they deal with problems.

[CaramelMan]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

I still would like to hear Joe's side of this, some of you PSA haters may be a little surprised.....

Mbmiller is not a PSA basher...in fact I used to think of him as a PSA supporter....
This is a sad thread.....

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

I still would like to hear Joe's side of this, some of you PSA haters may be a little surprised.....

I think everyone would be surprised to hear Joe's side on any public issue brought out against PSA since he publicly stays quiet about everything.

[mark evans]

Mine was certainly not a criticism of any method of collection, but rather a commentary on the marketplace and a prediction that over time I would expect a 'correction' in the very large disparity in value between high-end graded cards.