Honus Wagner Photo - Help please

[slidekellyslide]

Scott, I think your'e off on this one...the auction is in New York, JR's IP address is in Los Angeles, and if you look at JR's profile you see his ebay ID which also shows items listed from Los Angeles. Not everyone is up to date with the junk flowing through our hobby. You looked at this right away and saw it was fake, but you specialize in photographs.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

Scott, I think your'e off on this one...the auction is in New York, JR's IP address is in Los Angeles, and if you look at JR's profile you see his ebay ID which also shows items listed from Los Angeles. Not everyone is up to date with the junk flowing through our hobby. You looked at this right away and saw it was fake, but you specialize in photographs.

Dan, I don't know what you mean by your last sentence. I do specialize in photographs, but I also have one of the largest cabinet card collections on this board. Yes, I did look at it right away and saw that it was a fake.

Regarding IP address locations, the OP stated at one point that possibly 'his' price was to high, indicating that he had set up this auction for 'his uncle'. He has since removed that information, but based on his statements I thought that he had put up this auction for 'his uncle'. If that's not the case, then my apologies. Clearer communication would help.

In any event, as you know, these types of items pop up on ebay all the time, and the sellers pop in here all the time to gather validation for their item;e.g-Commiskey, young Honus Wagner, etc.,etc. They generally fail at such attempts. It doesn't bother me at all when such items show up on ebay - it's just part of the game. But when they show up here, on a legitimate board, it is irritating. The fact that some forum members think this piece is legitimate is even more disturbing, but I'll bow out at this point and let you all continue to discuss it, unimpeded.

Also, Dan - I'm not making any assumptions about your own thoughts about this item, so please don't take offense. Thanks.

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by Runscott

Dan, I don't know what you mean by your last sentence. I do specialize in photographs, but I also have one of the largest cabinet card collections on this board. Yes, I did look at it right away and saw that it was a fake.

Regarding IP address locations, the OP stated at one point that possibly 'his' price was to high, indicating that he had set up this auction for 'his uncle'. He has since removed that information, but based on his statements I thought that he had put up this auction for 'his uncle'. If that's not the case, then my apologies. Clearer communication would help.

In any event, as you know, these types of items pop up on ebay all the time, and the sellers pop in here all the time to gather validation for their item;e.g-Commiskey, young Honus Wagner, etc.,etc. They generally fail at such attempts. It doesn't bother me at all when such items show up on ebay - it's just part of the game. But when they show up here, on a legitimate board, it is irritating. The fact that some forum members think this piece is legitimate is even more disturbing, but I'll bow out at this point and let you all continue to discuss it, unimpeded.

Also, Dan - I'm not making any assumptions about your own thoughts about this item, so please don't take offense. Thanks.

My last sentence meant that it's easy for a guy like you to spot a fake cabinet photo because of your experience and not everyone has that. As far as JR editing out "his price is too high", he did not edit it out, and it's clear to me that he's referring to his uncle in that post.

As far as my thoughts on the piece I knew as soon as I clicked on the ebay auction that it was a fake...that Wagner photo might be the most prolifically faked photo out there. I just didn't happen to click on this thread until today though otherwise I would have declared it a fake right away.

[jrlebert]

Guys, I contacted my uncle after I said I would, and have advised he take it down. As we both work, I imagine that once he gets home, the auction will be down. If it were MY auction, I would have already taken it down.

[Runscott]

Thanks Dan, your feedback is much appreciated.

OP - sorry, I didn't realize that the ebay auction was entirely on your uncle. Obviously, it's not your fault that he has ignored your feedback.

[jrlebert]

Scott (and others), he hasn't ignored my feedback; he's just been working.

The auction is down, and I am hoping he can send me the item in question, so I can give as many details as possible, including the color of the stamp and any details I can provide about the photo.

Again, thanks to all involved.

[Jaybird]

I know J.R. locally here in Los Angeles. I know we are all jaded in this hobby but J.R. is one of the good guys. One of the most generous guys I know with his time and is just fantastic running many of the youth programs in the area.

[thecatspajamas]

JR, it would have raised less suspicion had the photo not been up for bids as you're asking questions about it. At the very least, it should have been taken down as soon as the resounding "it's fake" reply was heard from several here who know what they're talking about. We can all still see the scan after the item is ended, so there is no reason to keep it "active" where there is still the risk of someone being duped by the faulty description and bidding.

If your uncle was sincere about finding the truth of the matter and not perpetuating a forgery, the auction should have been ended about 3 days ago. At the very least, it needs to be ended now, not allowed to run its course under the assumption that nobody will bid. I think you'll find a warmer reception if the potential for fraud on an item like this is not active and staring everyone in the face.

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by thecatspajamas

JR, it would have raised less suspicion had the photo not been up for bids as you're asking questions about it. At the very least, it should have been taken down as soon as the resounding "it's fake" reply was heard from several here who know what they're talking about. We can all still see the scan after the item is ended, so there is no reason to keep it "active" where there is still the risk of someone being duped by the faulty description and bidding.

If your uncle was sincere about finding the truth of the matter and not perpetuating a forgery, the auction should have been ended about 3 days ago. At the very least, it needs to be ended now, not allowed to run its course under the assumption that nobody will bid. I think you'll find a warmer reception if the potential for fraud on an item like this is not active and staring everyone in the face.

Agreed...it should have been taken down a few days ago, but it didn't seem like anyone just flat came out and said it was fake until Scott gave his "Yuck" to it.