Opinion on Mantle Inscription

[shelly]

I am sure these where not your letters of authenticity.


PAAS Certified Autographs Removed From eBay
Posted by Steve Cyrkin on February 22, 2012 at 4:12pm in Autograph Authentication Services
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Update: PAAS certified autographs with their new COAs and LOAs, which came out in May or June 2012 are now allowed on eBay again.

eBay has removed virtually all autograph listings with PAAS (Professional Autograph Authentication Service) COAs, apparently due to authenticity concerns.

It is estimated that approximately 800 listings were wiped out, and less than a dozen remained. eBay sellers reported that all of their PAAS autographs were removed except those also certified by other third-party authenticators. Sellers were told they would face possible suspension if they attempted to list them again.

While there has been no official statement by eBay, Michael Frost, PAAS's president and authenticator, acknowledged eBay's actions when I asked by email, but would not say why, suggesting we contact eBay. However he denied it was due to authenticity concerns.

However, emails from eBay provided to us by recipients contradict that.:

Why were the listings for my autographed items ended?
- We received reports regarding the authenticity of the autographs in your listings. Please be aware that we regularly receive such reports from rights owners, law enforcement officials and members of the eBay community. These reports were not the determining factor for why your listings were removed but they were taken into consideration.
In the past, blanket removal of a company's COA by eBay has been followed within a few months by an official listing on eBay's banned COA list. More on this situation as it develops.

[Michael Frost]

[QUOTE=shelly;1198115]I am sure these where not your letters of authenticity.

Shelly, this is old news that has been straighted out a long time ago. It would be the same as me "saying that you are a two bit con man that was a rat and went to prison over selling fake autographs." I do not know what your issues with me may be but I am sure jealousy would have a lot to do with it. I never tried to correct any of yours or Christopher's mistakes and I am not looking to steal the spot like or have my name on TV and Blog sites. I am a successful leader in the autograph industry and I have all the proof and credentials need to prove my point. You and the other half ass experts and trouble makers can continue your games and have your fun. Just know that you and Chris are the reason nothing is being done about the fake autographs all over the Internet and throughout the industry. If you would have some credibility and use facts instead of making a fool out of yourself and talking rumors, and stories without facts, knowledge or evidence you maybe would be heard or taken seriously. What your fight is with me is still hard to understand but I can assure you can not play in the same game as me.

[thetruthisoutthere]

[QUOTE=Michael Frost;1198124]

Originally Posted by shelly

I am sure these where not your letters of authenticity.

Shelly, this is old news that has been straighted out a long time ago. It would be the same as me "saying that you are a two bit con man that was a rat and went to prison over selling fake autographs." I do not know what your issues with me may be but I am sure jealousy would have a lot to do with it. I never tried to correct any of yours or Christopher's mistakes and I am not looking to steal the spot like or have my name on TV and Blog sites. I am a successful leader in the autograph industry and I have all the proof and credentials need to prove my point. You and the other half ass experts and trouble makers can continue your games and have your fun. Just know that you and Chris are the reason nothing is being done about the fake autographs all over the Internet and throughout the industry. If you would have some credibility and use facts instead of making a fool out of yourself and talking rumors, and stories without facts, knowledge or evidence you maybe would be heard or taken seriously. What your fight is with me is still hard to understand but I can assure you can not play in the same game as me.

So you bringing up Shelly's past (14 years) isn't old news?

[shelly]

I also usually do not save stuff because much of it is so bad, but this
i had to save. when i was doing the hbo sports show I showed them a lot of bad mantles like this one. this comes from someone who did prvt signings and claimed to be a close friend of Mantle.

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[Michael Frost]

[QUOTE=shelly;1198142]I also usually do not save stuff because much of it is so bad, but this
i had to save. when i was doing the hbo sports show I showed them a lot of bad mantles like this one. this comes from someone who did prvt signings and claimed to be a close friend of Mantle.


Shelly, you are a true joke as well as most of what you have to say. Can you 1st explain to our audience the issues with the autograph that you have just posted.

[RichardSimon]

I have tried to avoid being involved in this thread but I do have to state that Shelly's opinion is held in high regard on this forum.
His accuracy is probably 90% or better on autographs he comments on.

[Michael Frost]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

I have tried to avoid being involved in this thread but I do have to state that Shelly's opinion is held in high regard on this forum.
His accuracy is probably 90% or better on autographs he comments on.

Now that you are involved can you please give your expert opinion on the Mantle and Martin posted by Shelly.?

[shelly]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

I have tried to avoid being involved in this thread but I do have to state that Shelly's opinion is held in high regard on this forum.
His accuracy is probably 90% or better on autographs he comments on.

Mike, here is a bet. $1000 sent to Leon. We will send this to Psa or Jsa and see if it is authentic or not. Put up or shut up. Money is being sent to Leon via Pay Pal if you take the bet.

[thetruthisoutthere]

[QUOTE=Michael Frost;1198149]

Originally Posted by shelly

I also usually do not save stuff because much of it is so bad, but this
i had to save. when i was doing the hbo sports show I showed them a lot of bad mantles like this one. this comes from someone who did prvt signings and claimed to be a close friend of Mantle.


Shelly, you are a true joke as well as most of what you have to say. Can you 1st explain to our audience the issues with the autograph that you have just posted.

Seriously? Holy crap!!!

That Mantle is awful.

[novakjr]

[QUOTE=Michael Frost;1198149]

Originally Posted by shelly

Shelly, you are a true joke as well as most of what you have to say. Can you 1st explain to our audience the issues with the autograph that you have just posted.

Michael, I'm not trying to pile on here. I'm no expert, but even I know that the one that Shelly posted is REALLY BAD...

[thetruthisoutthere]

[QUOTE=Michael Frost;1198124]

Originally Posted by shelly

I am sure these where not your letters of authenticity.

Shelly, this is old news that has been straighted out a long time ago. It would be the same as me "saying that you are a two bit con man that was a rat and went to prison over selling fake autographs." I do not know what your issues with me may be but I am sure jealousy would have a lot to do with it. I never tried to correct any of yours or Christopher's mistakes and I am not looking to steal the spot like or have my name on TV and Blog sites. I am a successful leader in the autograph industry and I have all the proof and credentials need to prove my point. You and the other half ass experts and trouble makers can continue your games and have your fun. Just know that you and Chris are the reason nothing is being done about the fake autographs all over the Internet and throughout the industry. If you would have some credibility and use facts instead of making a fool out of yourself and talking rumors, and stories without facts, knowledge or evidence you maybe would be heard or taken seriously. What your fight is with me is still hard to understand but I can assure you can not play in the same game as me.

Thank you.

[Westsiders]

[QUOTE=thetruthisoutthere;1198509]

Originally Posted by Michael Frost

Thank you.

Way to reel them in...hook, line, and sinker

[thetruthisoutthere]

I stand by previous comments that both Mantle/Martin autograph pieces are not authentic.

If both pieces were submitted to PSA today, I believe they would be rejected.

[Michael Frost]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

I stand by previous comments that both Mantle/Martin autograph pieces are not authentic.

If both pieces were submitted to PSA today, I believe they would be rejected.

Is that based on who submitted them or on the autograph??????

[zachtruitt]

So Spiral Stairs, what is your favorite song from Wowee Zowee?

[Spiral Stairs]

Originally Posted by zachtruitt

So Spiral Stairs, what is your favorite song from Wowee Zowee?

I'm more of a Slanted and Enchanted man.

[zachtruitt]

Both are great records. Love the name man!

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by zachtruitt

Both are great records. Love the name man!

Wrong thread. Please post this elsewhere.

[kengoldin]

I do not like the fact that people are getting into personal attacks for stating their opinions.
I am also not getting into what appears to be childish name calling on this forum.

That being said, if I was presented with the photo and someone asked me what I thought, I would tell them I do not like the mantle, AND I do not like the Martin.
If I am asked "why" I will reply that I am not photo shop user. There used to be someone on these forums that would draw great charts showing incorrect formations and slants. I do not get scientific.
As all of you know, I rarely comment on signatures and when I do it is only with an athlete whom I have personally seen thousands of autographs from by way of a contract I had with them.
That being said, I do not believe Mickey Mantle or Billy Martin ever held that photograph or put a pen to it.

[Michael Frost]

Originally Posted by kengoldin

I do not like the fact that people are getting into personal attacks for stating their opinions.
I am also not getting into what appears to be childish name calling on this forum.

That being said, if I was presented with the photo and someone asked me what I thought, I would tell them I do not like the mantle, AND I do not like the Martin.
If I am asked "why" I will reply that I am not photo shop user. There used to be someone on these forums that would draw great charts showing incorrect formations and slants. I do not get scientific.
As all of you know, I rarely comment on signatures and when I do it is only with an athlete whom I have personally seen thousands of autographs from by way of a contract I had with them.
That being said, I do not believe Mickey Mantle or Billy Martin ever held that photograph or put a pen to it.

How do you like the 2 additional Mantle Martin images I have posted? Is that more like the ones you are use to seeing?