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Old 10-16-2013, 12:29 AM
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I wanted to clarify a couple of things I read here. I was not present when Bill Hughes took part in grading the trimmed Wagner for PSA. However, Bill Hughes came to my home both before and after he had graded the card. Shelly was present both times. Before the card was graded, I told Bill that the card had been trimmed and should not be graded. Later, after he informed me that the card had been graded, I asked Bill how a trimmed card could be graded. He told me that the measurements of the card were within the acceptable tolerances. I informed him that the skinnier T206s were all American Beauty backs. His response to me was "well, we had to grade it."

I was present when Shelly called McNall's office. He made the call from my home phone and I was the person who had bet him on whether he would call or not.

I've always wondered why no one has explored the McNall/Hall connection when it came to grading this card in the first place. Bruce McNall had made his "fortune" dealing in rare ancient coins and, of course, David Hall was a long time dealer in coins who founded PCGS for the grading of coins. Incidentally, Bill Hughes told me that his grandparents had acquired loads of coins in their pawn shop and had dealt with David Hall quite often, which is why and how Bill became connected to David Hall and his new company, PSA.
No disrespect, but who are you? And are you saying Shelly was with you and not present when the card was graded?
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Old 10-16-2013, 12:44 AM
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My apologies. I am the Bill Heitman referred to in Shelly's post. I don't know where Shelly was at the time the card was graded, but I know he was at my home during the two conversations I mentioned with Bill Hughes.

Oh--I am also the author of "T206 The Monster" which is where everyone got the name "The Monster" for the T206 set. That was more than 33 years ago, a time when I was the only collector in America who collected T206 by the backs and series'.

Sorry I didn't introduce myself.
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Old 10-16-2013, 12:09 PM
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My apologies. I am the Bill Heitman referred to in Shelly's post. I don't know where Shelly was at the time the card was graded, but I know he was at my home during the two conversations I mentioned with Bill Hughes.

Oh--I am also the author of "T206 The Monster" which is where everyone got the name "The Monster" for the T206 set. That was more than 33 years ago, a time when I was the only collector in America who collected T206 by the backs and series'.

Sorry I didn't introduce myself.


thanks for posting here, but this part I don't think ted Z would agree with...
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No disrespect, but who are you? And are you saying Shelly was with you and not present when the card was graded?
David really? Like a little mustard with your foot sandwich?
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Old 10-16-2013, 10:22 AM
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David really? Like a little mustard with your foot sandwich?
Huh?? Because I never heard of BH or his book? And why the mad face?
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Huh?? Because I never heard of BH or his book? And why the mad face?
When you inhabit a board that is dominated by T206 conversation it's like not knowing the Mona Lisa was painted by DaVinci.
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When you inhabit a board that is dominated by T206 conversation it's like not knowing the Mona Lisa was painted by DaVinci.
Thank you Dan well said. Like having John Glenn chime in via an Aerospace chat board to be followed by "excuse me who are you, and what's your deal anyway?".....
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When you inhabit a board that is dominated by T206 conversation it's like not knowing the Mona Lisa was painted by DaVinci.
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Well, not knowing who Bill H. is might not be so surprising except that his name is right next to his post...

Pete: "Heisenberg."

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Old 10-16-2013, 11:41 AM
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Bill, as a new Monster chaser myself, it is an honor to have you on the forum.

I was happy to find your book available on Ebay. It's ordered, so soon I'll be able to learn from your extensive knowledge.

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Huh?? Because I never heard of BH or his book? And why the mad face?
I am sure David is far from the only one, even in this community.
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No disrespect, but who are you? And are you saying Shelly was with you and not present when the card was graded?
At least you weren't responding to 'Archive'.
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Bill, it's good to see you posting, and that was an EXCELLENT one...with no editing!!!
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Yeah Scott! "Archive" I hate that mofo! I wont even talk to him!
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Watch what you say in print - 'Archive' might decide to sue YOU.
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Thank goodness the Bruces straightened out Archive's A$$!
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Was archive the guy handing out the drink tickets at the net54 dinner at the national?
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I suppose everybody is just a little giddy today due to the end of the debt crisis. oops sorry no politics, dave

Back on topic....now we all know that psa knew the card was trimmed, yet awarded it a high numerical grade. very sad. I think they should "man up" and address the situation.
Sometimes, at least to me, "honor" trumps "stuff". Health trumps stuff. Hell, a lot of things trump stuff to me. Stuff is way down on the list. To some though, stuff trumps all....pathetic.
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Was archive the guy handing out the drink tickets at the net54 dinner at the national?
I am older than Archive but have been mistaken for him before.
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True story....I painted Burl Ives house in Santa Barb. Ca. in 1973, (there was no Vassar girl involved).
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I'd like to thank all of you for the kind words. Bill
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Hi Bill

I would like to talk with you when you have some time. Thanks for posting

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