Number of open of threads on BST...?

[ibuysportsephemera]

I vote for unlimited. I have found lots of cool things on the BST and would have missed items because they were buried in a thread that was not specific to what is being sold.

Just my 2¢.

Jeff

[39special]

Originally Posted by ibuysportsephemera

I vote for unlimited. I have found lots of cool things on the BST and would have missed items because they were buried in a thread that was not specific to what is being sold.

Just my 2¢.

Jeff

+1

[EvilKing00]

Originally Posted by ibuysportsephemera

I vote for unlimited. I have found lots of cool things on the BST and would have missed items because they were buried in a thread that was not specific to what is being sold.

Just my 2¢.

Jeff

Agree

[quinnsryche]

Leon, how about not limiting the amount of items listed but go with the no bumps for 2-3 days. I would be all for that, no problem. The item limit would really hurt for those with a lot of different items to offer. It doesn't seem to be the amount of items for sale, just the bumping to the top too often (guilty).
At least that what it looks like to me.

[t206blogcom]

Keep it as it is. If it isn't broken, don't try to fix it.

[Sean1125]

I believe that unlimited is ridiculous, I normally keep it to one buying thread in the BST and at most one or two selling threads.

My personal belief is any more than three threads are posted at once from any individual it muddies it up - I highly doubt that any member could not consolidate 15 threads into three, even if they have to expand the title or make a second post to include another list or more images.

As you discussed with me a few months ago Leon, roughly FOUR days for a bump is very reasonable - especially when people aren't posting 5-10 different threads and constantly bumping them. Four days means typically the post has fallen to the second page so it gives other peoples post time to be at the top and viewed while you can then get it back to the top and viewable after others have had a shot.

Hope my opinion helps, best on any decision.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by quinnsryche

Leon, how about not limiting the amount of items listed but go with the no bumps for 2-3 days. I would be all for that, no problem. The item limit would really hurt for those with a lot of different items to offer. It doesn't seem to be the amount of items for sale, just the bumping to the top too often (guilty).
At least that what it looks like to me.

Let's keep debating it. I am not against what you are saying, if it will work? I don't have my mind made up at all. I really want what is best for everyone. As for there ever being any "pay for" BST, I am not interested. It will never happen on my watch, but thanks for the thought.

[Eric72]

I voted to keep things as-is.

My first line of reasoning stems from my personal experience on the B/S/T. I have done much more buying than selling, and I typically post within the thread to announce that the card has arrived safely. Understanding that this could just as easily be done through a PM, I prefer to send this message publicly so that others on this Board know that the seller followed through on their promise to deliver the good(s) agreed upon, in a timely fashion. If a limit is instituted, I would be reluctant to do this for a seller, thereby removing the only “feedback” we have on Net54, thereby making Caveat Emptor more incumbent upon the buyer and leaving them in a less informed, less favorable position.

My second line of reasoning revolves around format. Net54 was founded upon the ideal that fewer rules are better than more rules. In my humble opinion, B/S/T issues should be handled on a case-by-case basis. For example, people who try to sell a fake ’58 Mantle here should be dealt with harshly.

Best Regards,
Eric

[batsballsbases]

Originally Posted by Eric72

I voted to keep things as-is.

My first line of reasoning stems from my personal experience on the B/S/T. I have done much more buying than selling, and I typically post within the thread to announce that the card has arrived safely. Understanding that this could just as easily be done through a PM, I prefer to send this message publicly so that others on this Board know that the seller followed through on their promise to deliver the good(s) agreed upon, in a timely fashion. If a limit is instituted, I would be reluctant to do this for a seller, thereby removing the only “feedback” we have on Net54, thereby making Caveat Emptor more incumbent upon the buyer and leaving them in a less informed, less favorable position.

My second line of reasoning revolves around format. Net54 was founded upon the ideal that fewer rules are better than more rules. In my humble opinion, B/S/T issues should be handled on a case-by-case basis. For example, people who try to sell a fake ’58 Mantle here should be dealt with harshly.

Best Regards,
Eric

+2 on the selling of that 58 fake mantle!

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Eric72

I voted to keep things as-is.

My first line of reasoning stems from my personal experience on the B/S/T. I have done much more buying than selling, and I typically post within the thread to announce that the card has arrived safely. Understanding that this could just as easily be done through a PM, I prefer to send this message publicly so that others on this Board know that the seller followed through on their promise to deliver the good(s) agreed upon, in a timely fashion. If a limit is instituted, I would be reluctant to do this for a seller, thereby removing the only “feedback” we have on Net54, thereby making Caveat Emptor more incumbent upon the buyer and leaving them in a less informed, less favorable position.

My second line of reasoning revolves around format. Net54 was founded upon the ideal that fewer rules are better than more rules. In my humble opinion, B/S/T issues should be handled on a case-by-case basis. For example, people who try to sell a fake ’58 Mantle here should be dealt with harshly.

Best Regards,
Eric

Good thoughts Eric.....thanks

[the 'stache]

Originally Posted by Eric72

I voted to keep things as-is.

My first line of reasoning stems from my personal experience on the B/S/T. I have done much more buying than selling, and I typically post within the thread to announce that the card has arrived safely. Understanding that this could just as easily be done through a PM, I prefer to send this message publicly so that others on this Board know that the seller followed through on their promise to deliver the good(s) agreed upon, in a timely fashion.

I agree with Eric. I, too, make a post on the original sale thread when I get my cards in. If I have a great experience (and every single one thus far has been great), I want potential buyers to know that. It also allows me to express my appreciation to the seller (though I usually send a personal thank you via pm as well).

As far as limiting the number of threads, I don't think anybody should ever need more than three active topics at a time. It's just too easy to edit when new cards have been added, etc. Making a new topic for each individual card being sold is overkill.

[Rob D.]

Originally Posted by Eric72

Net54 was founded upon the ideal that fewer rules are better than more rules.

I never knew this. Thanks.

[t206blogcom]

Originally Posted by Eric72

Net54 was founded upon the ideal that fewer rules are better than more rules.

+1

[camlov2]

Originally Posted by Eric72

I have done much more buying than selling, and I typically post within the thread to announce that the card has arrived safely. Understanding that this could just as easily be done through a PM, I prefer to send this message publicly so that others on this Board know that the seller followed through on their promise to deliver the good(s) agreed upon, in a timely fashion. If a limit is instituted, I would be reluctant to do this for a seller, thereby removing the only “feedback” we have on Net54, thereby making Caveat Emptor more incumbent upon the buyer and leaving them in a less informed, less favorable position.
Eric

I assume that you post in the thread when you are interested in the item? "PM sent" or something like that?

If so you could always just edit that post to add that you purchased the item and everything arrived as described. This method wouldn't bump the thread since there wasn't a new post made. Buyers could still search their previous FS threads and see you were a happy customer.

just a thought...

[Rob D.]

Originally Posted by camlov2

I assume that you post in the thread when you are interested in the item? "PM sent" or something like that?

If so you could always just edit that post to add that you purchased the item and everything arrived as described. This method wouldn't bump the thread since there wasn't a new post made. Buyers could still search their previous FS threads and see you were a happy customer.

just a thought...

+1

Even though the intent is well-meaning, the end result is other peoples' posts are getting pushed down for an "I got the card and it's great" bump.

Newcomers to the board seem to have come to the conclusion that the B/S/T needs some kind of feedback system, when in actuality it has thrived for many, many years without one. My guess is if a buyer doesn't receive an item he has paid for, the board will hear about it in no time flat.

[GoldenAge50s]

Good idea Brian---edit your post or send a PM/EM if you want to thank your Seller---No need to bump a dead thread/sold item to the top.

I still think "unlimited" threads will cause log-jams & constant bumping--2-3 open is ideal. If you want more listings or are trying to make a business out of the BST, go to EBay---that's what it was invented for!

[batsballsbases]

I voted for 3 myself. But I am also in favor of someone not bumping there items back to the top every 3-4 hours. It seems the items get bumped anyway when someone either wants to buy it or someone posts lets say PM sent. In any event a bump every 3-4 days would be fine .

[kcohen]

Originally Posted by quinnsryche

Leon, how about not limiting the amount of items listed but go with the no bumps for 2-3 days. I would be all for that, no problem. The item limit would really hurt for those with a lot of different items to offer. It doesn't seem to be the amount of items for sale, just the bumping to the top too often (guilty).
At least that what it looks like to me.

I thought that there already was such a rule, or at least a guideline, regarding bumping.

[Rob D.]

Originally Posted by kcohen

I thought that there already was such a rule, or at least a guideline, regarding bumping.

And if there's not a rule, you would think common sense and courtesy would prevent excessive bumping of threads. But hey, when it comes to selling a $30, $28, $25, $22, $20 $18 item, common courtesy be damned.

[baseballart]

Originally Posted by ibuysportsephemera

I vote for unlimited. I have found lots of cool things on the BST and would have missed items because they were buried in a thread that was not specific to what is being sold.

Just my 2¢.

Jeff

I agree.

[Deertick]

One additional 'rule' would help a lot:
Do not reply to say "PM sent" (it's redundant as it pops up as you login), "Nice card", "I got it", or "Sold". Sellers can edit title to indicate that it is no longer available (PLEASE ) One exception would be a bump to say "sent to ebay" or something to that effect.

[Rob D.]

Jim,

The PM system on 54 can be unstable at times. I understand why people post that they've sent a PM. I've done it at least once and had the seller reply that he had not received my PM (I think he eventually received it -- the next day).

Edited to add: All of this boils down to character. On the surface a rule saying a thread can be bumped only if the seller lowers a price sounds good. But it's pretty obvious that there are sellers who start at a ridiculously high price so they can "bump for price reduction" the next day .. and the next ... and the next .. and the next. Go browse old B/S/T posts, and examples of this will quickly become apparent.

Any rule can be skirted by someone who thinks the B/S/T is his personal flea market or Pawn Stars set. If you have people whose only goal is to try to get over on someone, rules are pretty worthless. If you have good people, most rules aren't needed.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Rob D.

Jim,

The PM system on 54 can be unstable at times. I understand why people post that they've sent a PM. I've done it at least once and had the seller reply that he had not received my PM (I think he eventually received it -- the next day).

Our hosting company has had to restart the mail service several times, especially when they clear out old files (when I post about board hiccups or slowness is generally when it's happened). Also, unsubscribing from the auction emails that are sent out has caused a few not to receive PMs.

[ibuysportsephemera]

Just a general question...How do most of you read Net54?

I have Net54 bookmarked to the main page. When I log on I hit New Posts and look through the threads. I ignore what I don't want to read and when I am done I go to quick links and hit Mark Forums Read. I find this way to be efficient and having lots of threads doesn't really bother me.

Do other people use Net54 differently?

Jeff

[Leon]

Originally Posted by ibuysportsephemera

Just a general question...How do most of you read Net54?

I have Net54 bookmarked to the main page. When I log on I hit New Posts and look through the threads. I ignore what I don't want to read and when I am done I go to quick links and hit Mark Forums Read. I find this way to be efficient and having lots of threads doesn't really bother me.

Do other people use Net54 differently?

Jeff

I always click on the icons to go to the forums categories. I always start with the main home page forum on the far left. I start from the top and go down, clicking threads to read new posts, until there are no highlighted threads. The highlighted ones are ones that have new posts I have not read.

[Leon]

I just hope everyone is seeing how difficult a final decision is going to be. It is quite obvious not everyone will be happy. Please keep the comments and suggestions coming....eventually a decision will be made, I promise. That decision could be to leave it alone or make a limit on the number of open threads, as is being discussed. I might start these threads thinking one thing but then as suggestions and comments come in, change my mind. I hope folks don't think I am wishy washy as much as open to suggestion on what is best for our forum. Thanks to everyone who has chimed in so far.

[glchen]

I think a seller should be able to bump more often if the price is lowered as opposed to not lowered. (e.g., something like price change can be bumped once every 2 days, and no price change can be bumped once per week.) I said unlimited amount of threads per category, but obviously, there has to be a limit b/c someone can't have 50+ threads open at one time if they have a bunch of stuff to sell. Maybe a limit of 10 threads, but they can only bump 2 threads per week maximum even if they lower the price for 2+ threads.