T206 Blue Old Mill

steve B · #1 10-02-2013, 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ScottFandango

in all the OLD MILLS I have seen/own, the two horizontal lines on the back are SHADED IN.....

the blue back seems to have those two horizontal lines with no shading

check yours at home!

Neither of mine are shaded.

And none of the backs are printed in halftone.

Any narrow area like the horizontal lines is prone to filling if the plate is too dry.

Steve B

NYHighlanderFan · #2 10-07-2013, 12:33 PM

Let me revisit a question asked by one of you guys last August. Where are the rest of the cards from the sheet? Nothing has surfaced in the past 12+ months?

Leon · #3 10-09-2013, 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NYHighlanderFan

Let me revisit a question asked by one of you guys last August. Where are the rest of the cards from the sheet? Nothing has surfaced in the past 12+ months?

This is certainly one of the few times when adding to the population would increase the value. As a collector of very scarce cards I understand the "too rare" syndrome all too well. I lean towards this being a legit variety of Old Mill but am still not 100%. I am sort of partially over the fence but not all of the way there

.

srs1a · #4 10-09-2013, 08:03 PM

Buried in one of the blue OM threads is a scan of my OM Walsh. I believe it is the brother of the blue one (no matter how hard I squint, I can't make the back turn blue, though

). Below are side by side scans of my card and the blue one.

There are a number of print anomalies that are identical on both cards -- a weak black border on both the right and left hand side, a red blob on the I in Chicago, and another very small red blob near his hairline above his left eye. In the image below I've circled these areas.

I believe that these similarities are reasonably strong evidence that these 2 cards were produced by the same printing plates (note that there are some other anomalies that are not shared by the 2 cards namely the small dark splotch above his collar in my card and the small red spot on the second c in Chicago on the blue back).

T205 GB · #5 10-09-2013, 08:45 PM

Is it possible that the card could have been exposed to some chemical causing the bleached look and making the ink turn on the back?

Jantz · #6 10-10-2013, 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by srs1a

Buried in one of the blue OM threads is a scan of my OM Walsh. I believe it is the brother of the blue one (no matter how hard I squint, I can't make the back turn blue, though

). Below are side by side scans of my card and the blue one.

There are a number of print anomalies that are identical on both cards -- a weak black border on both the right and left hand side, a red blob on the I in Chicago, and another very small red blob near his hairline above his left eye. In the image below I've circled these areas.

I believe that these similarities are reasonably strong evidence that these 2 cards were produced by the same printing plates (note that there are some other anomalies that are not shared by the 2 cards namely the small dark splotch above his collar in my card and the small red spot on the second c in Chicago on the blue back).

Good information Scott!

Thanks for posting this,

Jantz

vintagetoppsguy · #7 10-10-2013, 12:59 PM

Yes, but all 4 borders are wider on the OM. If it is authentic, doesn't that mean it was probably hand cut from a sheet? Otherwise, how does one explain the obviously oversize white borders?

Also, the borders are much whiter on the OM. Maybe something bleached the the card (intentionally or not) and it also turned the ink blue.

Rob D. · #8 10-10-2013, 01:49 PM

Oh, if only this card were in a PSA holder, what fun there would be.

steve B · #9 10-11-2013, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Yes, but all 4 borders are wider on the OM. If it is authentic, doesn't that mean it was probably hand cut from a sheet? Otherwise, how does one explain the obviously oversize white borders?

Also, the borders are much whiter on the OM. Maybe something bleached the the card (intentionally or not) and it also turned the ink blue.

There's a lot of size differences with most old cards. So having wider borders isn't odd.

The lightness could be lightness or the scanner, no way to tell without having a couple cards in hand. The T206s I have aren't consistently white or off-white.

I suppose it could have been changed by some chemical. Most black inks of the era are carbon -Either carbon black or lampblack- in a hardener like shellac or linseed oil (yeah, plus a bunch of other stuff that the companies kept as trade secrets) Carbon pigments don't change color all that readily.

Steve B

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