T206 Blue Old Mill

[atx840]

http://sports.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleN...lotIdNo=261031

[David R]

What did it sell for last time? As I recall, it was less than a lot of folks predicted.

[thehoodedcoder]

jesus shi*....just when i was focusing on a drum.

i gotta be honest here and say that the borders on this card alone give me the impression that its a reprint.

like....when you look at it doesn't it just wreak of the standard cobb repint border or what have you? not trying to call it out since its slabbed but like....really?

it takes a serious nut sack for them to lay out a new 1 of 1 back.....if its NOT real.....right? to me that is your WHOLE reputation on a single card/grade.

my whole argument rests on this one sentance: how many t206's look like that from 10 feet away? im going with the answer of "only reprints".

yes. i have in fact held this card in my hand. it looks ok up front in my hand but go* da** in every image scan of this card ot just does not fit in with any other scan image i have seen.

toss in a montage of cards and i guarentee it stands out on boarder......alone. did anyone measure the inside boarders on the card and make sure the square black frame line measures proper to another portrait card? if so then you should be able to compare the overall edge to a proper card and see if this one is lager or smaller....right?

kevin

[ullmandds]

Eek gads...here we go again?!

[obcmac]

I agree with with Kevin...every time I look at it...I think reprint (based on the front). I wonder how many slabbed t206's I've seen...20K? How many of these look like reprints...maybe 5 (of the major grading company slabs...though I don't really recall any others)? Oh and it happens to have a never-seen-before back...seems legit.

Originally Posted by thehoodedcoder

jesus shi*....just when i was focusing on a drum.

i gotta be honest here and say that the borders on this card alone give me the impression that its a reprint.

like....when you look at it doesn't it just wreak of the standard cobb repint border or what have you? not trying to call it out since its slabbed but like....really?

it takes a serious nut sack for them to lay out a new 1 of 1 back.....if its NOT real.....right? to me that is your WHOLE reputation on a single card/grade.

my whole argument rests on this one sentance: how many t206's look like that from 10 feet away? im going with the answer of "only reprints".

yes. i have in fact held this card in my hand. it looks ok up front in my hand but go* da** in every image scan of this card ot just does not fit in with any other scan image i have seen.

toss in a montage of cards and i guarentee it stands out on boarder......alone. did anyone measure the inside boarders on the card and make sure the square black frame line measures proper to another portrait card? if so then you should be able to compare the overall edge to a proper card and see if this one is lager or smaller....right?

kevin

[ScottFandango]

I don't like the 4 perfectly rounded corners...all look exactly the same...
whats the chance of that in a 100 year old WORN card?

maybe that is why this card sold for less than expected...some people thinks its fake...

[packs]

I said it before, this card has the same design and back color as the known Old Mill reprints. If that is merely a coincidence 100 years after the fact, then that's some coincidence.

[Sean]

I don't like the look of the corners either.
I also wonder why someone who just bought such a celebrity card is willing to part with it so quickly.

And there is the obvious question: If these cards were produced in sheets of 36 cards (or more, but let's not start that debate here), where are the other cards from this Blue Old Mill sheet? Doesn't it seem like some more should have survived? We have found more than 2 dozen Brown Lenox, and I believe 12 to 14 Brown Old Mills. Why haven't any other Blues turned up?

If this seller really believes that this card is authentic, perhaps he could submit it for re-grading. If a TPG took another look and still thought it to be authentic that might ease some of our doubts about the card.

[ScottFandango]

I think there are some real "professional aging experts" out there and they seem to be getting more numerous....