Joseph M Pankiewicz, you are a disgrace to this hobby!

[mark evans]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

So I was speaking to a hobby buddy of mine yesterday, who reads this board (but doesn't post) and he asked a really provocative question: given how much bad stuff is out there, given that many card doctors are staying at least one step ahead of the graders, why are people still sinking such incredible amounts of money into this stuff?

And I need a better answer than stuff trumps all. Sure, good stuff may trump all, but nobody wants to sink money into trimmed, altered, and counterfeit material. Is it that only a small percentage of collectors know about this? Is it they trust TPG implicitly? Are they turning a blind eye? Do they believe that only the other guy's stuff is bad and they own only unadulterated material?

You would think that if this information was widely circulated, the market should collapse. And yet we regularly see enormous sums of money being spent on this high grade material. I'm sure somebody can figure this out.

My answer is that as long as the label reads "8", it's an "8." Case closed. But I think it's more than that.

As a related point, I never have understood the large disparity in values of high-graded material (8 v. 8.5 for example). Even setting aside the issue of fraud, the subjectivity of the grading process

[mark evans]

I posted my comment accidentally before finishing my point. It just seems to me that the subjectivity inherent in the grading process should over time reduce the large disparity in values at the high end.

[ScottFandango]

did rick ever say why this guy still is allowed to consign with him still?

the silence is deafening.....

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by ScottFandango

did rick ever say why this guy still is allowed to consign with him still?

the silence is deafening.....

Nope, but he (Joe) currently has 627 auctions running in Probstein's store. Why should he give us an explanation though? After all, he's been busted twice now and there are no repercussions, so why not just do business as usual if you’re Rick?

On another note, tomorrow has been 3 weeks since Greg B removed that '34 Gehrig from eBay and sent it back to SGC. I wonder if he's heard anything back yet?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Nope, but he (Joe) currently has 627 auctions running in Probstein's store. Why should he give us an explanation though? After all, he's been busted twice now and there are no repercussions, so why not just do business as usual if you’re Rick?

On another note, tomorrow has been 3 weeks since Greg B removed that '34 Gehrig from eBay and sent it back to SGC. I wonder if he's heard anything back yet?

Patience, lad.

[T206DK]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Nope, but he (Joe) currently has 627 auctions running in Probstein's store. Why should he give us an explanation though? After all, he's been busted twice now and there are no repercussions, so why not just do business as usual if you’re Rick?

On another note, tomorrow has been 3 weeks since Greg B removed that '34 Gehrig from eBay and sent it back to SGC. I wonder if he's heard anything back yet?

We're not bound to hear anything from Probstein, and board members will continue to buy from him even after reading threads like this. Thus, allowing him to get bigger and bigger. fools and their money.........

[HRBAKER]

Originally Posted by T206DK

We're not bound to hear anything from Probstein, and board members will continue to buy from him even after reading threads like this. Thus, allowing him to get bigger and bigger. fools and their money.........

+1

We do a great job of complaining about the ills in the hobby but most of us are very poor at going without.

[slipk1068]

Can't tell you how many times in the last few weeks I have clicked on a card, seen it was Probestein, and decided not to bid. I don't know if I can continue this forever because the guy has some nice looking cards, but I hope to never buy from him again unless he bans JP from his auctions and makes an effort to combat shill bidding.

d avid $hip$ey

[D.P.Johnson]

Originally Posted by HRBAKER

+1

We do a great job of complaining about the ills in the hobby but most of us are very poor at going without.

+2

Some of the biggest complainers in this thread about him have bought NUMEROUS cards from him in the last month...HYPOCRITS!!!...

[steve B]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Nope, but he (Joe) currently has 627 auctions running in Probstein's store. Why should he give us an explanation though? After all, he's been busted twice now and there are no repercussions, so why not just do business as usual if you’re Rick?

On another note, tomorrow has been 3 weeks since Greg B removed that '34 Gehrig from eBay and sent it back to SGC. I wonder if he's heard anything back yet?

Ok, must be something I'm missing.

How do you know they're his?

Steve B

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by steve B

Ok, must be something I'm missing.

How do you know they're his?

Steve B

Do an eBay advanced search by seller, type in Probstein123.
Click on the store icon next to Probstein's username (to the right of the about me page).
The various store names appear on the left side of the page.
Panky's store is "The GEM Collection"
Click on "The GEM Collection" and search by "Butkus"
This result will pop up...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1966-Philade...ht_1036wt_1042

The Butkus card can be linked back to when Panky bought it in this auction...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1966-Philade...#ht_1458wt_932

That's one example. You can find many more if you're willing to do the research. It's definitely Pank's cards/store.

Rick is a douchebag for letting Panky still consign with him knowing he doctors cards and shills his own auctions.

[Cardboard Junkie]

I wonder if the SGC population report will be changed, (revised) after they review the 34 Goudey Gehrig? Dave.