Are the high prices of T206 scarcer backs coming down?

[MVSNYC]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

I just bought a Schlei (Port.), fairly tough common in nice grade, in a 6 with a Sovereign 460 back for only $256.00 on ebay...auction just ended. I think alot of people are either going to be extremely happy, or very disappointed when this all plays out. Major auction houses are the winners....

Kevin- that's not that 'rare' of a back. 25% premium sounds about right.

Prices are all over the place...just tried finding your card (no luck), but found these: PSA 6 Schlei (Old Mill) sold for $595, and a PSA 5 Schlei Tolstoi sold for $315...those are very healthy prices.

[atx840]

BL460, Drum, UZIT & Lenox I think will continue to hold their value.

Last year 55 new red Hindus showed up to auction and prices were strong on most of them. Blanks are out there but super tough to find with the front/player you want....wish they would drop

[bbsports]

Backs such as Polar Bear, Old Mill, EPDG, Cycle 350, AB 350 frame/no frame, Sovereign 150/350, & Tolstoi were never confirmed as tough backs. They have hyped up over the last few years. Now there coming down to Earth. However, if you find one of these backs as the highest graded player, common or HOFer, they are still getting good prices. Your rare backs such as Broadleaf 350/460, Lenox black/brown, Uzit, red/brown Hindu, & Carolina Brights will continue to get strong prices, especially if a player has a low pop number, or if it's the highest graded, or the only player that is graded by a recommendable grading company. Sovereign 460 & Cycle 460, are tougher backs & in low pop numbers should continue to do well. Piedmont 42 backs are unpredictable because you can't determine its pop numbers, but it's a back on the rise, because collectors are finding out that there are a less out there than originally thought. T206 cards from uncut sheets such as blank backs, brown Old Mill, & ink missing ink card scrap haven't lost any steam & are in strong demand.

[MVSNYC]

Originally Posted by bbsports

Backs such as Polar Bear, Old Mill, EPDG, Cycle 350, AB 350 frame/no frame, Sovereign 150/350, & Tolstoi were never confirmed as tough backs. They have hyped up over the last few years. Now there coming down to Earth. However, if you find one of these backs as the highest graded player, common or HOFer, they are still getting good prices. Your rare backs such as Broadleaf 350/460, Lenox black/brown, Uzit, red/brown Hindu, & Carolina Brights will continue to get strong prices, especially if a player has a low pop number, or if it's the highest graded, or the only player that is graded by a recommendable grading company. Sovereign 460 & Cycle 460, are tougher backs & in low pop numbers should continue to do well. Piedmont 42 backs are unpredictable because you can't determine its pop numbers, but it's a back on the rise, because collectors are finding out that there are a less out there than originally thought. T206 cards from uncut sheets such as blank backs, brown Old Mill, & ink missing ink card scrap haven't lost any steam & are in strong demand.

Bill- you forgot Drum.

[bbsports]

Your right, you can't ignore the scarcity of a Drum back. Sorry about that.

[insccollectibles]

I think part of the recent problem is the influx of great cards since the prices went up. It seems like alot of people or now dumping their collection in hope to make some profit. Once this trend slows a little which I hope will happen soon the prices will stabilize for a bit and go back up. The problem now is the volume of cards being dumped due to the recent higher prices in my opinion.

[thehoodedcoder]

Originally Posted by ins02

I think part of the recent problem is the influx of great cards since the prices went up. It seems like alot of people or now dumping their collection in hope to make some profit. Once this trend slows a little which I hope will happen soon the prices will stabilize for a bit and go back up. The problem now is the volume of cards being dumped due to the recent higher prices in my opinion.

That is generally 1 of the ways it works. The only other way is if the demand goes down. The price of the cards may be pricing people out of the market even though there is desire to purchase.

Price is where the demand function and tangent touch. Remember the whole calculus and algebra thing? As price changes, the "rate" of demand increases and decreases and has direct affect on rate of goods being sold at price X.

I believe if you have an average house hold income of 100k a year and lead a typical life with one or two kids you are not dropping a few Hondo on some Hindu every week at this point in time. The economy is all jacked up and crooked. Its chaos...dogs sleeping with cats. At least in the Nj area.

The mob...I mean government...takes everything you make from January until June. You get to by bread with your pittens after that.

Kevin

[insccollectibles]

I agree the demand will go down based on the over supply from people dumping their collections. It's simple you may be able to afford one $400 dollar card but not 3 or 4 in the same auction. A couple may go for less because simply collectors can't afford to drop so much at one time and the card doesn't get bid up.

Originally Posted by thehoodedcoder

That is generally 1 of the ways it works. The only other way is if the demand goes down. The price of the cards may be pricing people out of the market even though there is desire to purchase.

Price is where the demand function and tangent touch. Remember the whole calculus and algebra thing? As price changes, the "rate" of demand increases and decreases and has direct affect on rate of goods being sold at price X.

I believe if you have an average house hold income of 100k a year and lead a typical life with one or two kids you are not dropping a few Hondo on some Hindu every week at this point in time. The economy is all jacked up and crooked. Its chaos...dogs sleeping with cats. At least in the Nj area.

The mob...I mean government...takes everything you make from January until June. You get to by bread with your pittens after that.

Kevin

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by MVSNYC

Kevin- that's not that 'rare' of a back. 25% premium sounds about right.

Prices are all over the place...just tried finding your card (no luck), but found these: PSA 6 Schlei (Old Mill) sold for $595, and a PSA 5 Schlei Tolstoi sold for $315...those are very healthy prices.

Michael- I hear you and you are probably right. Having said that, I have many Sov 460's in my collection that I paid alot higher premium than 25%. You know alot more about such things than me. Also, I never really said rare backs, but "scarcer backs". I am trying to complete a subset of Sov 460's, so any help would be appreciated....

[Bridwell]

Kevin, you got a great buy on a Sov 460 at only a 25% premium. Congrats!

Rare T206 backs in a 6 or higher are really scarce.

[MVSNYC]

Rare & Scarce...

Kevin- what's your definition of each?

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by MVSNYC

Rare & Scarce...

Kevin- what's your definition of each?

Look on Ebay and see how many Sovereign 460's, Cycles, EPDG's, Tolstoi's etc.. are listed among all of the T206s, that would be scarce. Now take a look at how many Carolina Brights, Red hindu's, Broadleafs, Pied 42's, etc.. are listed among all cards, that would be rare...

[MVSNYC]

We've had the rare vs. scarce discussion here many times. always interesting how people define each, often confusing the two.

Regardless of the wording, now i am clear on the ones which you are focusing on here.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by MVSNYC

We've had the rare vs. scarce discussion here many times. always interesting how people define each, often confusing the two.

Regardless of the wording, now i am clear on the ones which you are focusing on here.

It seems to most people the term "rare" describes a population and "scarce" takes into account the demand side too. I have a ton of rare cards but they aren't really scarce because almost no one wants them . On the other hand I have some cards that aren't rare, but are scarce, because collectors hoard them. For example, forget the back of this card and say it's a more common one, it wouldn't really be a rare card (in pre war terms) but is scarce because it's the most collected one from the set. If a collector was going to only have 1 from D304, this might be it. Therefore, while it's not really rare, it's scarce. This is only an opinion and others will see it differently.