T206 fronts/backs Extravaganza......show us what you have ?

[Sean]

Ted, here's another question: Is there a difference between the 1910 Red Cross and the 1912 Red Cross?

Can you please post a scan of each back?

[Texxxx]

The backs are the same. The type 1 has brown lettering on front like the t206 and the type 2 had blue lettering.

[RCMcKenzie]

Some cards appear in both series like this Ford. Other cards are only found in one or the other. Type 1 approx 1910-1912 Type 2 approx 1912-1913. It says 100 designs on the back, but the actual number of cards per series is short of that and unknown.

Ted, I have followed your prior threads on the topic and have learned a lot from those discussions. I would group t213-1 and t215-1 alongside the other t206's as you and others have said.

Edit to add- Chris pointed out that the grass background is all dark green on the type 2 Ford, I don't know if all type 2 Fords are printed that way or if this example is just printed differently.

[cfc1909]

Rob

if you study the print groups in t206 and apply that knowledge to the t213-1 set and the t215-1 set you will be able to realize Burdick got these correct and they are not part of the t206 set although the same fronts are used.

[RCMcKenzie]

Hi, Jim,

I tried to word my answer above carefully, as I respect both you and TedZ for y'alls experience with T206.

I, personally, would classify T213 "alongside" or "as a sub-set" to T206, and I'm not saying it should be renamed a T206. Lipset pointed out that in addition to having the same fronts as T206, T213-1 has the same captions without any team changes (I'm taking Lipset's word as I can't recall any).

T213-1 are made up of cards from "Print Group 2" "Super Prints" and "Southern League". The backs have an almost identical design to 3 other T206 backs.

I am not part of the debate over the nomenclature, and do not see a reason to rename the cards, but think that it is an interesting debate.

[tedzan]

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[tedzan]

Hey Rob

Contrary to what some on this forum say, Jeff Burdick mis-classified this T213-1 issue. FACT....his records show that he lumped in the 1910 COUPON cards with the T213-2 &
T213-3 issues with respect to their timeline (1914-1919). However, we now know that this set was indeed issued circa 1910. So, I don't really fault him for getting it wrong.

There are several indicators that confirm the 1910 issue date. It is obvious that the stylistic back design of these COUPON cards was drawn by the same artist that designed
the AB-BL-CY-DRUM backs. And, we have American Lithographic records that inform us of the Spring/Summer timeline of the T206 cards with these advertising backs.




Furthermore.....American Lithographic (ALC) used their printing plates during the 350 series press runs to print the 48 Major Leaguer's in the T213-1 set (see NOTE below).
Additionally, ALC selected from the 48 Southern Leaguers (SL), the 20 Southern Association SL to include in the T213-1 set consistent with COUPON's regional distribution.


NOTE....The six super-prints were initially 350-only subjects. When ALC started printing their 66 subjects in the SOVEREIGN "350/460" series they included the Chance, both
Chase's, Cobb, Evers, and Matty in this group.

Scot Reader very appropriately described the six super-prints as unique T206's in that they are "350-only & 460-only" subjects.


Rob....good buddy....your observation is correct, the 1910 COUPON cards are T206's. So, don't let anyone try to convince you otherwise.


TED Z