T206 fronts/backs Extravaganza......show us what you have ?

[tedzan]

Throwing in these 4 rare T206's....just to stir up a little bit of late night controversy.

OK, OK....are the 1910 COUPON cards T206's....or what ?

I certainly think so....how about you ? ?






..

..



And for laughs, I'll throw in a rare 1915 COUPON Silent Screen star card.





TED Z

[ullmandds]

I LIKE T213's!

[Leon]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Throwing in these 4 rare T206's....just to stir up a little bit of late night controversy.

OK, OK....are the 1910 COUPON cards T206's....or what ?

I certainly think so....how about you ? ?





TED Z

I don't think so. Had Burdick wanted them with T206 he would have put them there. Unlike some other mistakes it seems he made, he was intentional in putting Coupons (all of them) as T213. If we want to use the ACC then Coupons are T213, if not, then make them whatever you want them to be. It's not that big of a deal, except they are what they are, T213.

[RCMcKenzie]

To Ted Z's T206 question...Burdick did an amazing job cataloging all the cards. I would group all T206 into subsets by their backs. All Polar Bear cards, all Carolina Brights, all Piedmont fact 42 etc. To me T213-1 is just a sub-category of T206. Even T213-2 and 3 are t206 fronts with very small blue font differences.

[DeanH3]

I'm on the side of the T213-1's being a subset of T206. I know it's a little self serving since I have one, but to me there are more reasons for it being included than not.

[tedzan]

Dean

Join the club....the timeline and the logic favors our opinion regarding the 1910 COUPON cards as part of the T206 family.


Best regards,

TED Z

[ScottFandango]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Dean

Join the club....the timeline and the logic favors our opinion regarding the 1910 COUPON cards as part of the T206 family.


Best regards,

TED Z

with all due respect, i think you are wrong on this one....

it has Different Fonts with Different Colors, clearly indicating different Printing plates and different print runs than the T206's....its a Different (yet similar) set!

[RCMcKenzie]

Originally Posted by ScottFandango

with all due respect, i think you are wrong on this one....

it has Different Fonts with Different Colors, clearly indicating different Printing plates and different print runs than the T206's....its a Different (yet similar) set!

Scott,

The type 1 Coupon cards do not have different colors or fonts. They look like a t206 on the front and back.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by RCMcKenzie

To Ted Z's T206 question...Burdick did an amazing job cataloging all the cards. I would group all T206 into subsets by their backs. All Polar Bear cards, all Carolina Brights, all Piedmont fact 42 etc. To me T213-1 is just a sub-category of T206. Even T213-2 and 3 are t206 fronts with very small blue font differences.

Rob

I like the way you think (regarding the 1910 COUPON cards).

So, what is your thinking regarding the 1910-1912 RED CROSS (T215-1) cards with respect to their T206 "cousins" ?









TED Z

[Texxxx]

I maybe in a class of my own but I have always felt that the T213 and T215 type 1's where part of the T206 set. I think the type 2 & 3's where after the T206 was finished. I know they used the same picture plates but that is seen with lots of other sets also.

[Sean]

Ted, here's another question: Is there a difference between the 1910 Red Cross and the 1912 Red Cross?

Can you please post a scan of each back?

[Texxxx]

The backs are the same. The type 1 has brown lettering on front like the t206 and the type 2 had blue lettering.

[RCMcKenzie]

Some cards appear in both series like this Ford. Other cards are only found in one or the other. Type 1 approx 1910-1912 Type 2 approx 1912-1913. It says 100 designs on the back, but the actual number of cards per series is short of that and unknown.

Ted, I have followed your prior threads on the topic and have learned a lot from those discussions. I would group t213-1 and t215-1 alongside the other t206's as you and others have said.

Edit to add- Chris pointed out that the grass background is all dark green on the type 2 Ford, I don't know if all type 2 Fords are printed that way or if this example is just printed differently.

[tedzan]

Six T206 Super-Prints with 1910 COUPON backs





.....

..





TED Z

[tedzan]

A variety of Matty's










TED Z

[CMIZ5290]

Oh Ted...I want the Matty Sov. 460! Up for a trade?

[tedzan]

Hey Kevin

I acquired the Sovereign 460 Matty 7 years ago; and, I've only seen one other one since then.

Anyhow, this Matty is part of my all-Sovereign set, so it's not for sale.


TED Z

[tedzan]

Three examples of the various AMERICAN BEAUTY backs............


.








TED Z

__________________________________________________ _____________________________________
LOOKING for these 6 - T206 guys to complete my AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 sub-set (75 cards)

AMES (hands over head)....CAMNITZ (hands over head)....DOYLE (portrait)....McGRAW (portrait-cap)
McQUILLAN (bat)....TINKER (bat off shoulder)

[cfc1909]

during the distribution of the t206 set there were 6 different print groups. Once a print group was done or discontinued and the next one began the previous one was not brought back or printed again.

The southern league 48 cards or print group 6 was discontinued in December 1909. The Coupon t213-1 was issued after December 1909. This fact makes Burdick correct that the Coupon t213-1 needed is own ACC designation separate from t206.

For some time now the mysteries of the t206 set have been tried to be answered by examining the backs. This does answer many questions but not all. Take the time to examine the fronts and understand the print groups and that will give a more compete understanding of the 206 set.

I am sure there will always be more to learn about the set