Optimistic.

[nolemmings]

I saw that one Brian. Seller also falsely states that "There isn't another graded example of this Wagner." There are 10 graded by SGC and 6 by PSA.

I suppose he might try and argue that there are no other 1916 graded Wagners for Collins-McCarthy (his card is incorrectly labeled) but even that is false and disingenuous. There is in fact a mislabeled 1916 Wagner in the SGC pop reports, and while PSA changed its pop reports to exclude 1916 for Collins-McCarthy (changing it to 1917), it did so for all cards in the set; thus, he really can't say there are no other 1916 PSA Wagners without acknowledging that even his does not exist in the Pop report.

[timn1]

I got a reasonable response from the seller of the D328 Hans Wagner who said that the Beckett person told him that the "Hans" was a rare variation. Knowing Beckett, I can easily believe this. He also asked about its value and I suggested it was probably in the 3-4K range, rather than 16K+.

Tim

[Leon]

Originally Posted by timn1

I got a reasonable response from the seller of the D328 Hans Wagner who said that the Beckett person told him that the "Hans" was a rare variation. Knowing Beckett, I can easily believe this. He also asked about its value and I suggested it was probably in the 3-4K range, rather than 16K+.

Tim

Depends on who they asked at Beckett. A few of their folks know vintage real well. But historically some of their thinking has to make you scratch your head (Goudey Ruth Rookie). As for value.....I would think 3k-5k, it's a nice and scarce card.

[Ladder7]

Originally Posted by nolemmings

I saw that one Brian. Seller also falsely states that "There isn't another graded example of this Wagner." There are 10 graded by SGC and 6 by PSA.

I suppose he might try and argue that there are no other 1916 graded Wagners for Collins-McCarthy (his card is incorrectly labeled) but even that is false and disingenuous. There is in fact a mislabeled 1916 Wagner in the SGC pop reports, and while PSA changed its pop reports to exclude 1916 for Collins-McCarthy (changing it to 1917), it did so for all cards in the set; thus, he really can't say there are no other 1916 PSA Wagners without acknowledging that even his does not exist in the Pop report.

There are no other blank-backs?

[nolemmings]

Ah, I completely missed that--he's apparently arguing that his Wagner is the only blank-backed graded. I was focused on the Hans-Honus thing. My bad.

In that case, it's tough to say from SGC's pop reports, since they do not differentiate between blank-backed and "regular" Colllins-McCarthy cards in their pop reports--either that or they have never graded & labeled a single blank back of any card from that set (doubtful).

The seller is still wrong though, in that PSA pop reports do in fact show another blank-backed Wagner as having been graded. I guess he's just less wrong then I thought.