Joseph M Pankiewicz, you are a disgrace to this hobby!

Pat R · #1 08-31-2013, 05:55 PM

I don't believe you can say the cards like drysdale and gehrig are the same
cards that have been bumped when the identifying marks are all related
to the printing process.Take a look at these two cards that are not even the
same players, besides the same exact plate scratch marks look at all
the other marks that are the same.

thehoodedcoder · #2 09-02-2013, 07:42 AM

you make a good point. i think that its totally possible for 2 cards to have the same markings. i had thought this before.

your cards have different fronts though. there is a smaller percentage of cards with the same front and same markings on the back. what are the percentage of cards that have the same number of marks on them.

then what percentage of them are in higher grade, with a desirable player on the front. what percentage of those cards are owned and sold by the same person in a short period of time?

kevin

vintagetoppsguy · #3 09-02-2013, 08:22 AM

The two T206s have printing anomalies within the normal print of the card. The Drysdale, Gehrig, etc all had stray print marks that were the same from card to card. There's a big difference.

Also, there were other factors besides the print marks such as natural flaws within the cardboard that was the same from card to card - something that shouldn't occur. Another factor was also centering that was the same from card to card.

When you look at all the evidence, and the fact that he shilled the cards, there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that each card was the same.

Peter_Spaeth · #4 09-02-2013, 08:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

The two T206s have printing anomalies within the normal print of the card. The Drysdale, Gehrig, etc all had stray print marks that were the same from card to card. There's a big difference.

Also, there were other factors besides the print marks such as natural flaws within the cardboard that was the same from card to card - something that shouldn't occur. Another factor was also centering that was the same from card to card.

When you look at all the evidence, and the fact that he shilled the cards, there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that each card was the same.

And Joe did not deny they were the same cards unless I missed something, just claimed he did nothing to them.

D.P.Johnson · #5 09-02-2013, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by peter_spaeth

and joe did not deny they were the same cards unless i missed something, just claimed he did nothing to them.

bingo!

Peter_Spaeth · #6 09-02-2013, 09:38 AM

To quote the Kingston Trio, "He never returned no he never returned."

Or to quote Fitzgerald, "I think he realizes his presumptuous little flirtation is over."

Section103 · #7 09-02-2013, 11:43 AM

I got nothing to add here except to say that a good Fitzgerald quote is a great addition to anything.

last name is Van Hess, just to make sure Im within the rules....

WhenItWasAHobby · #8 09-02-2013, 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

To quote the Kingston Trio, "He never returned no he never returned."

And his fate is still unlearned...

barrysloate · #9 09-02-2013, 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

To quote the Kingston Trio, "He never returned no he never returned."

Or to quote Fitzgerald, "I think he realizes his presumptuous little flirtation is over."

What Ella Fitzgerald song is that from?

Sean · #10 09-02-2013, 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

To quote the Kingston Trio, "He never returned no he never returned."

Is that where that song comes from? I remember it from an episode of Malcolm in the Middle.

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