Hauls of Shame - Who is Peter Nash?

[slidekellyslide]

Yes, we know he was once a famous hip hop artist, but his music is inconsequential to this thread. A man who was threatened, conned and stole from has come to Net54 to lay out his side of the story and I'd like it to stay away from music. For whatever reason Nash still has his fans on this board who want to look past his transgressions and some of these people are lending their services, opinions and knowledge to Nash....some anonymously and some don't mind having their name used as a source. I'd like them to see exactly who they are dealing with. Anyone wanting to talk hip hop is free to use the watercooler section.

[benjulmag]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

Yes, we know he was once a famous hip hop artist, but his music is inconsequential to this thread. A man who was threatened, conned and stole from has come to Net54 to lay out his side of the story and I'd like it to stay away from music. For whatever reason Nash still has his fans on this board who want to look past his transgressions and some of these people are lending their services, opinions and knowledge to Nash....some anonymously and some don't mind having their name used as a source. I'd like them to see exactly who they are dealing with. Anyone wanting to talk hip hop is free to use the watercooler section.

+1

[Rich Klein]

The music discussion is important on a general level to understand some of Pete's motives.

One important characteristic of the modern "hip-hip" era is a denial of responsibility when something goes wrong. That is true of non-singers as well. Look at all of the professional athletes who come up with the great excuses when they are caught with a positive drug test

In the hip-hop and rap culture fostered in the early 1990's by groups such as 3rd Base, that same natural selection of "I'm famous, you can not touch me" began.

I don't think we can argue that Peter is a devoted baseball fan and a very dedicated researcher in baseball history and the memorabilia. There is also very little doubt that Peter, as Leon posted in a great thread in the Autograph area, even when found accountable in a court of law has never honored any of those decisions. Leon, to his credit, has and that is a major difference between these two people. I'd use men but that would be an insult to Leon to put Nash in the same league as him.

The fact is we have someone who is willing to come out and sign his name (a rule in this board) to a possibily ignitable thread. The other fact is we know what we are dealing with when it comes to Peter's background and not much can be added.

I will also note that despite my repeated comments -- the Last Names were not added. as per board rules on this thread

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=174608

I see that in a thread that calls out a dealer by name for trimming and has gone in many directions the full names are still not added to the thread. Me thinks a little moderation on certain subjects might help


And note, despite the earlier comments, the full names were not put in this thread either

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...=174881&page=2

Regards
Rich

[MattyC]

Originally Posted by Rich Klein

One important characteristic of the modern "hip-hip" era is a denial of responsibility when something goes wrong.
Rich

Professor,

Thanks for imparting your deep knowledge (or is it just a sweeping generalization?) of the hip hop era. I surmise you came to this epiphany by listening to tons of KRS?

The denial of responsibility is an individual choice, not a trait of fans of a specific type of music. One could just as easily argue the denial of responsibility was alive and well in the stoner ethos of the 70's.

You also said:

"In the hip-hop and rap culture fostered in the early 1990's by groups such as 3rd Base, that same natural selection of "I'm famous, you can not touch me" began. "

Awkward phrasing aside (natural selection?), the famous began feeling untouchable long before 1990.

[Cardboard Junkie]

"One important characteristic of the modern 'hip hop' era is a denial of responsibility when something goes wrong." Rich Klein (DICK)
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[Rich Klein]

Like I always tell you, being insulted by you is a badge of honor as you obviously have nothing better to do with your time but be a trouble maker who has already been booted off the board once and is well on a way to a 2nd boot


Rich

[drcy]

I'm not into rap and have no insightful opinion on that genre for or against, but should note, before we have too many stereotypes about musical types, that last week I saw an interview with the deceased Metal Goth singer Peter Steele in which he said he thought kids today spend too much time spend too much time playing video and it's important for parents to spend more time with their kids. He also said his favorite job he ever had was working for the New York City parks department, and he was very proud when he was promoted to a parks supervisor position.

So the person doesn't always match the persona. In fact, he said his formidable stage act was just that, an act, and in real life he was just a big kid with a shy streak.

[oldjudge]

Help me with the new facts disclosed here. Peter Nash bought some memorabilia from a Brooklyn Elks club and a relative of Henry Chadwick. James wanted to know the provenance of some collateral he took from Peter Nash long after he took the collateral (why wouldn't he ask before he took it). Peter Nash allegedly threatened James. Am I missing any of the facts? BTW, I have always liked "Product of the Environment" as well as "Brooklyn-Queens".

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

Help me with the new facts disclosed here. Peter Nash bought some memorabilia from a Brooklyn Elks club and a relative of Henry Chadwick. James wanted to know the provenance of some collateral he took from Peter Nash long after he took the collateral (why wouldn't he ask before he took it). Peter Nash allegedly threatened James. Am I missing any of the facts? BTW, I have always liked "Product of the Environment" as well as "Brooklyn-Queens".

Jay, I wouldn't ask you (or anyone else who I respect and might do a huge business deal with) for provenance of any collateral you gave me, but if I found out later that you were a lying thief and that I might be about to experience semi-financial ruin because of your dishonesty, I'd probably want to start getting my ducks lined up in a row.

[Cardboard Junkie]

Originally Posted by Rich Klein

Like I always tell you, being insulted by you is a badge of honor as you obviously have nothing better to do with your time but be a trouble maker who has already been booted off the board once and is well on a way to a 2nd boot


Rich

You keep saying that Dick, but it is YOU who got schooled by the mods in this thread. BTW just because I disagree with you doesnt mean I'm insulting you. Dave.

[wonkaticket]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

Yes, we know he was once a famous hip hop artist, but his music is inconsequential to this thread. A man who was threatened, conned and stole from has come to Net54 to lay out his side of the story and I'd like it to stay away from music. For whatever reason Nash still has his fans on this board who want to look past his transgressions and some of these people are lending their services, opinions and knowledge to Nash....some anonymously and some don't mind having their name used as a source. I'd like them to see exactly who they are dealing with. Anyone wanting to talk hip hop is free to use the watercooler section.

Big +1

[travrosty]

The thread was a bust so it needed moderator intervention.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by travrosty

The thread was a bust.

Sort of like your below "deflection" thread, Travis...

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=174807