Anyone know the dealer in this photo?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Everyone would like to move on to positive stuff. When the moderator posts a private message because it happens to be a jab at him -- and again, for the red herring crowd, I am not questioning that he received it by mistake -- I think it needs to be vetted.

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Everyone would like to move on to positive stuff. When the moderator posts a private message because it happens to be a jab at him -- and again, for the red herring crowd, I am not questioning that he received it by mistake -- I think it needs to be vetted.

Why? It's Leon's board, he pays for it, he moderates it...his patience with idiots is far beyond what I would have if it were my board. If he lost a little patience in this case I can certainly see why considering what Dave Terwilliger posted was far out of bounds, and to see another forum member privately giving kudos to that post would have my blood boiling.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

Why? It's Leon's board, he pays for it, he moderates it...his patience with idiots is far beyond what I would have if it were my board. If he lost a little patience in this case I can certainly see why considering what Dave Terwilliger posted was far out of bounds, and to see another forum member privately giving kudos to that post would have my blood boiling.

From my years here Leon prides himself on not exercising any special privileges as a moderator, which is why this seemed out of character to me.

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

From my years here Leon prides himself on not exercising any special privileges as a moderator, which is why this seemed out of character to me.

I'm pretty sure he's human, and not a robot, but I could be wrong about that.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

I'm pretty sure he's human, and not a robot, but I could be wrong about that.

Amen.

[botn]

Leon and I were emailing back and forth while he was posting here. In the email he stated he posted what I sent to Dave because he thought what I wrote sucked. He then added that he was wrong. His words, not mine. And while trying to patch things up and tell me to let the thread go, which I had, he is doing anything but letting it go and is posting calling into question my character.

And maybe my comment to Dave did suck but I replied to Dave because I thought his post was so outrageous and unexpected. I did not come on the board and fuel the fire.

[SushiX37]

Originally Posted by botn

And maybe my comment to Dave did suck but I replied to Dave because I thought his post was so outrageous and unexpected. I did not come on the board and fuel the fire.

Yet even now you can't let it go. Simply an observation, but it seems like you got caught with your pants down and are embarrassed its played out in the forum in this way.

Rich

[Bocabirdman]

This whole mess wouldn't have happened if the vendor in the OP's photo was wearing a "Hi, My Name is...." badge. It's all his fault

[ibuysportsephemera]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

Why? It's Leon's board, he pays for it, he moderates it...his patience with idiots is far beyond what I would have if it were my board. If he lost a little patience in this case I can certainly see why considering what Dave Terwilliger posted was far out of bounds, and to see another forum member privately giving kudos to that post would have my blood boiling.

+ 1 million. If Peter and Greg don't like Leon's sandbox, let them find another one to play in. As for Terwilliger, I hope Leon has reached his tolerance for him.

[Wymers Auction]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

Why? It's Leon's board, he pays for it, he moderates it...his patience with idiots is far beyond what I would have if it were my board. If he lost a little patience in this case I can certainly see why considering what Dave Terwilliger posted was far out of bounds, and to see another forum member privately giving kudos to that post would have my blood boiling.

I personally do not care about whether the pm got posted, but I will say when I first got on this board Dave took some really nasty shots at me and I really never did anything to provoke him, but for the sake of clarity I did defend myself.

[CMIZ5290]

It seems to me Schwartz took some nasty shots at Leon... All things considered, I'll take Leon's side on this one hands down...

[smokelessjoe]

Hi Leon,

All I can really say is that I am glad that you are not a neighbor of mine that lives a couple of houses down from me - From what you revealed to me in a private message - you're the type of guy that if the mailman mistakenly put my mail in your box you would open it and read it.... Principle?

I can also say that secretly reading people's personal emails is not a good business plan either. You may get away with it, you may slide by - that still does not change the fact that it is not good business. Especially if you own a message forum, an auction house and wheel & deal on eBay....?

New questions:

1. Do the other moderators have access to people's "mistaken" private messages?

2. Leon, if one were messaging back & forth with another person and the other person replied "mistakenly" would you then in turn be able to read the whole dialogue?

3. How long have the moderators been aware that you have the ability to read private messages and have you ever discussed what you have read in peoples private emails with the moderators in the past?

Lastly Leon I have no qualms with you personally - I think you have done great things and are doings great things.... It's just that secretly reading people's emails is creepy. It doesn't matter who it is, even if it were my mother... It's still creepy. Ethics?

Shawn England

[D.P.Johnson]

Server owners can read PM's, and Board Administrators can read them if they have "permission" to do so and/or know how to hack into the system.

[asphaltman]

Originally Posted by smokelessjoe

Hi Leon,

All I can really say is that I am glad that you are not a neighbor of mine that lives a couple of houses down from me - From what you revealed to me in a private message - you're the type of guy that if the mailman mistakenly put my mail in your box you would open it and read it.... Principle?

I can also say that secretly reading people's personal emails is not a good business plan either. You may get away with it, you may slide by - that still does not change the fact that it is not good business. Especially if you own a message forum, an auction house and wheel & deal on eBay....?

New questions:

1. Do the other moderators have access to people's "mistaken" private messages?

2. Leon, if one were messaging back & forth with another person and the other person replied "mistakenly" would you then in turn be able to read the whole dialogue?

3. How long have the moderators been aware that you have the ability to read private messages and have you ever discussed what you have read in peoples private emails with the moderators in the past?

Lastly Leon I have no qualms with you personally - I think you have done great things and are doings great things.... It's just that secretly reading people's emails is creepy. It doesn't matter who it is, even if it were my mother... It's still creepy. Ethics?

Shawn England

Where did reading "emails" come from? I thought this was about the private messages?

I wouldn't take it for granted that anything on the internet is private.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by smokelessjoe

Hi Leon,

All I can really say is that I am glad that you are not a neighbor of mine that lives a couple of houses down from me - From what you revealed to me in a private message - you're the type of guy that if the mailman mistakenly put my mail in your box you would open it and read it.... Principle?

I can also say that secretly reading people's personal emails is not a good business plan either. You may get away with it, you may slide by - that still does not change the fact that it is not good business. Especially if you own a message forum, an auction house and wheel & deal on eBay....?

New questions:

1. Do the other moderators have access to people's "mistaken" private messages?

2. Leon, if one were messaging back & forth with another person and the other person replied "mistakenly" would you then in turn be able to read the whole dialogue?

3. How long have the moderators been aware that you have the ability to read private messages and have you ever discussed what you have read in peoples private emails with the moderators in the past?

Lastly Leon I have no qualms with you personally - I think you have done great things and are doings great things.... It's just that secretly reading people's emails is creepy. It doesn't matter who it is, even if it were my mother... It's still creepy. Ethics?

Shawn England

Hi Shawn
As I said in the PM I don't read messages. The reason I read that one, which was errantly sent to me, is because I was banning him at that exact time. It was addressed to me the way they always are. I read it because of the situation. As I also said, I didn't want to lie and say I had never seen another. In over 4 yrs I am sure I have glanced at one or two. I don't read them. I can't recall one thing I ever read from them. I am sorry you feel the way you do. I don't spy on people and the other mods don't either. I don't even know if there is a way to see other's PMs. I have never tried to search for them (if it were even an option). Nothing personal except I am sorry you feel the way you do.

To specifically answer your questions.
1. No, I don't believe they get the errant messages.
2. If the whole dialog were in an email I guess so. I don't read them so can't really say for sure.
3. I don't know if private messages can be read or not. I have never checked. The only ones I might have ever even glanced at were those sent, by mistake, to my email. There were quite a few but, as I said, I can't tell you anything any ever said. I delete them when I get them. If members follow the directions this wouldn't be an issue. Also, I am looking into a way to quit getting the mistakenly sent messages. I hope to have a solution soon.

I hope that answers those questions. Please feel free to keep asking. best regards

ps...and lastly, here is the PM I sent you, lest anyone think I say much privately I don't say publicly...


Concerning your questions on the board, I would rather answer them here....I will answer there too but I would just as soon it die down on the board....


I get about 1 errant message a day on average. People don't read, or just miss, where it says not to respond to that email. But, I don't generally read them. I delete them. I can't say I have never glanced at one in over 4 yrs, but I don't read them. I have no reason to. I did glance at the one that started the ruckus because it was from someone that had just gotten banned, or was about to, I don't remember the exact sequence. So yeah, if there is a major situation I might read, or have read, an errant one sent to me.

I am going to take steps to have those PMs bounce instead of coming to me. I never wanted them in the first place. I don't care and they are private. I have enough crap going on to deal with. Hope this answers your questions.....LL
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Leon Luckey

[smokelessjoe]

Understood:

No further questions.
Thank you Leon,

Shawn England

[ibuysportsephemera]

Originally Posted by Leon

Hi Shawn
As I said in the PM I don't read messages. The reason I read that one, which was errantly sent to me, is because I was banning him at that exact time. It was addressed to me the way they always are. I read it because of the situation. As I also said, I didn't want to lie and say I had never seen another. In over 4 yrs I am sure I have glanced at one or two. I don't read them. I can't recall one thing I ever read from them. I am sorry you feel the way you do. I don't spy on people and the other mods don't either. I don't even know if there is a way to see other's PMs. I have never tried to search for them (if it were even an option). Nothing personal except I am sorry you feel the way you do.

To specifically answer your questions.
1. No, I don't believe they get the errant messages.
2. If the whole dialog were in an email I guess so. I don't read them so can't really say for sure.
3. I don't know if private messages can be read or not. I have never checked. The only ones I might have ever even glanced at were those sent, by mistake, to my email. There were quite a few but, as I said, I can't tell you anything any ever said. I delete them when I get them. If members follow the directions this wouldn't be an issue. Also, I am looking into a way to quit getting the mistakenly sent messages. I hope to have a solution soon.

I hope that answers those questions. Please feel free to keep asking. best regards

ps...and lastly, here is the PM I sent you, lest anyone think I say much publicly I don't say privately...


Concerning your questions on the board, I would rather answer them here....I will answer there too but I would just as soon it die down on the board....


I get about 1 errant message a day on average. People don't read, or just miss, where it says not to respond to that email. But, I don't generally read them. I delete them. I can't say I have never glanced at one in over 4 yrs, but I don't read them. I have no reason to. I did glance at the one that started the ruckus because it was from someone that had just gotten banned, or was about to, I don't remember the exact sequence. So yeah, if there is a major situation I might read, or have read, an errant one sent to me.

I am going to take steps to have those PMs bounce instead of coming to me. I never wanted them in the first place. I don't care and they are private. I have enough crap going on to deal with. Hope this answers your questions.....LL
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Leon Luckey

It is a shame that you have to take the time to respond to these posts Leon. You are doing us all a great service by running this Board and I find it hard to believe that people actually criticize you. You are a much more tolerant person than I would be. If it was me, I would tell them to take a hike if they didn't like the way I handled things. Lets all remember that this part of the thread got started by a lunatic attacking you.

[D.P.Johnson]

Leon, if you contact your server owner, they should be able to stop you from getting the messages with one click of a button...Good luck...

And, oh yeah....Shawn, moderators can't read PM's unless they're given permission by the administrator and/or can figure out how to hack into the system...